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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

Mr Gulland makes some important points. Most of the fly-tipping in my constituency is of sofas and mattresses, some of which is criminal in that people are dumping those materials in certain areas, but some of it is simply people putting them out in the street because they are not aware of the law or cannot afford, or do not have the motivation, to take it to an appropriate facility.

I come back to the challenge of organised crime in the waste management sector, and I wonder whether Mr Harley has anything to add about that wider challenge. As I said earlier, I appreciate the sensitivity of the issue, so I understand if you would prefer to follow up in writing with regard to that important wider consideration.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

I am happy to wait until later. If there is any follow-up that might be helpful for the committee—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

We would appreciate that, as appropriate; I know that it is a sensitive area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

And the use of secondary legislation gives that flexibility.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

Absolutely. I have a final question on charges for single-use items. You talked about the success of the carrier bag charge that was introduced in 2014. That has been an undoubted success environmentally, but also from the point of view of behavioural change.

Last week, it was argued by representatives of the business community that the fact that the money that is raised from the plastic bag charge can be put towards local causes has helped with collegiate buy-in to the policy, from the point of view of both implementation and seeing the benefits. Do you have any comments to make on how the net proceeds from charges for single-use items should be used? As things stand, the bill proposes a different approach from the one that has been taken in relation to the 2014 plastic bag charge.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

If no one wants to add to that, I will move on.

It definitely is part of a puzzle and, of course, one advantage of a deposit return scheme is that it helps to reduce contamination. There is not just the challenge of the 60 per cent of materials that go into landfill but that could be recycled; it is also about how we improve the quality of the recyclate that goes into recycling provisions as they are. To me, the puzzle is about deposit return and the considerations in the bill, but it is also about public awareness and cultural change.

Regarding the provisions to put the recycling code on a statutory footing and to enable the setting of local targets, what evidence is there to suggest that taking a statutory approach in those areas will drive up standards? What are the key opportunities in making systems more consistent across the country? How do we drive up standards and make the systems more consistent, and how important would those elements be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

Yes, and it is also about consistency of practice and how it is implemented.

If there is no other feedback on that, I want, finally, to come back to a point already raised by Mr Gulland about our facilities to meet the bill’s requirements and the shared collective aim of reducing waste and increasing recycling. What investment in waste, whether it be in recycling, reuse, redistribution or infrastructure, will be needed to support the bill’s aims? I would be grateful if you could elaborate on what you said earlier, Mr Gulland, because I think that it is really important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

If you could follow up on that, it would be helpful. Your points about inward investment and job creation are absolutely of interest, including the point that having consistency and a uniform position across local authorities on processing would attract such investment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, convener. I was also going to ask about the consenting process. The answers in response to Mr Lumsden were helpful and give us some food for thought about what to inquire of other organisations.

On organisational priorities and therefore budgets, I have one other question for SEPA. I noted that you list the response to waste crime as a priority. Are there any parts of that that you want to emphasise as a priority? I am thinking about the challenge of dealing with the influence of both organised and small operational criminals in the sector and the challenge that that presents to all of us.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Ben Macpherson

On that point, Mr Harley, you touched on the important fact that there is a way to go in terms of taking the public with us by different means—nudging, encouraging, as well as punishing, if necessary; we will get on to that element of the bill later. Is the secondary legislation that follows the bill’s passing in fact necessitated by the need to walk through the process in terms of implementation and awareness raising?