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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

There is quite a considerable sunk cost in setting up a body, as well.

Lorna, do you still want to—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Well said. Dr Gill?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you—that was helpful and was good context for the rest of our discussion.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those are very interesting and helpful points. The question of how MSPs’ time and resources are utilised is broad and has been touched on by the committee. Dr Gill, did you want to come in?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will bring in Lorna Slater in a second, but I have a question for Dr Gill or the other witnesses that follows up on that point. Do you have any thoughts on whether there should be sunset clauses? For example, should there be a review after five years of whether the body is performing its functions and is still needed? Should there be a periodic evaluation?

In our previous evidence sessions, the possibility has been raised not just of holding more frequent scrutiny sessions with parliamentary committees and creating the capacity for that, as Alison Payne rightly touched on, but of whether there would be a benefit in having a new committee dedicated to the scrutiny of SPCB bodies—or whether there are other models that we should explore.

Lorna, do you want to add a supplementary question to that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

As the former Minister for Social Security and Local Government, I am very aware of that. It is helpful of you to set it all out for our evidence and as part of the discussion on the wider landscape, so I thank you for detailing the legacy and the nuance. Much of the scenario that the committee is considering relates to the position that has built up through legacy; we will get into more of that shortly.

In your written submission, interestingly, you categorise SPCB bodies as “less complex” in relation to audits. Can you comment further on how Audit Scotland ensures that the audit process for those less complex bodies is proportionate to their size and their complexity?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is helpful, and it dovetails into my next question. In some of the committee’s previous evidence sessions, office holders highlighted that, in some instances, recommendations that were provided to smaller organisations were not tailored to the specific organisations. I would be grateful if you could clarify further what measures are in place to ensure that the recommendations that are provided during audits are sufficiently specific to, and actionable for, smaller organisations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am conscious of time, colleagues. If there is anything that you really want to tell us but have not had the chance to say yet, please let us know.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is interesting. We have both engaged with organisations such as the Scottish Commission on Social Security—SCOSS—so there are bodies that fulfil some aspects of that function. However, your argument is that there should be a comprehensive approach.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

You talked mostly about older people, but you also mentioned the Children and Young People’s Commissioner. Sarah Boyack has a proposal for the unborn and future generations. Do you want to answer my question, Sarah?