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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, all. Thank you for your time and fascinating insights so far. Your points around the necessity of judging AI on its data source are so important. Recently, I heard somebody say that, even if the technology is perfect, AI will never be perfect because it is reliant on the data within. It will be so important to apply critical thinking to AI and the dataset that it relies on.

You rightly cautioned us with warnings. I have seen some reporting from the United States of America, where, in Silicon Valley, for example, there are schools where they do not use computers or tablets because they want people to learn wider creative skills with a pen and paper. However, it is also true that this technology is here and that it will be a big part of the future. You have made those points.

I want to ask some questions about utilisation. Chris Ranson spoke wisely about how there needs to be a sense that AI is something to be used but that we must not think about learning about AI; rather, we should think about how to train young people to fit into an AI economy of the future, because it will be a big part of the economy. How do we get the balance right? What skills are required to use generative AI, and when should we bring them into the curriculum? Perhaps Professor Robertson would like to go first. You talked about how, as a computer scientist, you think that everyone should learn those skills. When should they learn them and what should they learn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Mr Ranson, do you want to add anything?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

I presume that in updating, we need to make sure that there is continuing professional development for staff in that space.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

So, we need creativity across the curriculum but with ICT skills. I remember that, when I was at school, we learned the basic operation of Mac and Windows systems. Do we need to teach ChatGPT in secondary 1, for example? I do not mean to pin you down, but where and when should we bring this teaching in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

On education in the era of AI, what are the implications—not just for schools, but for colleges and universities? Is there, in your view, enough cross-thinking on Government policy on an AI strategy through connections between employers, Education Scotland and other Government departments? Are we collaborating enough in considering the next stages for our young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Artificial Intelligence and Education

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

By the time every student who is in S1 at the moment leaves school, whatever age they are and whatever jobs they go into, they will need creative thinking, but AI will be in almost every, if not every, work setting. Are we moving quickly enough to equip our young people with understanding of AI, or do we need to step up the pace? Judy Robertson is nodding.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

I have a quick question about the points that Dr Cavers raised earlier, and they will also relate to Mr Duncan. When I do beach cleans in my constituency, not too far from here at Wardie bay, for example, the prevailing issue over and above human litter and pollution is nurdles. Dr Cavers, you mentioned the prevalence of plastic pellets on the beaches of South Queensferry. In our considerations today and also, if relevant, in our considerations on the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill, would either of you like to add anything further about pollution from plastic pellets, otherwise known as nurdles? What is the situation, and what can and should we do about it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

Have you anything to add, Mr Duncan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for that feedback and information. Does either of you see the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill making a difference in that regard?