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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting.

Under agenda item 1, the committee will take evidence from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman, and I am very pleased to welcome Rosemary Agnew to the meeting.

We move directly to questions, and I will ask a general question first. What do you consider to be the SPSO’s role, and how does it differ from the role of ministers, MSPs and other public bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Before I go to Lorna Slater, I have a question on the same topic. My other committee—the Criminal Justice Committee—is considering the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, which includes a proposal to establish a victims and witnesses commissioner for Scotland. There has been discourse in Parliament and beyond about such a role. If you were inclined to speak in similarly candid terms, given your experience and understanding, is that an area that you as an ombudsman could encompass as well?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very helpful. Colleagues, are there any further questions that you would like to ask?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much. Those were very helpful questions and responses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you; that is helpful for our inquiry.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, all. Noting, and not disputing, what has just been said by our witnesses, I recall what the committee has been told in recent weeks about the practicalities of implementation. Dr Scott, I am curious to hear your position on whether, given what you propose in your written evidence, which you have elaborated on in your oral evidence this morning, additional time would be required before implementation for the courts and any other facilities to be properly and fully equipped so that virtual evidence could be taken in every appropriate case. Is that something that you would deem to be acceptable?

We have heard some interesting evidence in recent weeks to the effect that the commencement of the bill as drafted would be appropriate, but that there would be quite a time period thereafter before anything happened, despite the fact that the pilot has resulted in the provision of facilities in some places. It seems that, if more use is to be made of virtual evidence, we need to significantly add to the provision that there is just now.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for that. The next questions come from Richard Leonard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the second meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for the meeting.

Today, we will take evidence from Ian Bruce, who is the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland, and then from Suzanne Vestri, who is convener of the Standards Commission for Scotland. Thank you for being here and for your written evidence.

I welcome Ian Bruce. We move directly to questions, and I will start with quite a general one. How do you perceive the current role of Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body-supported bodies in enhancing public trust and confidence in public life in Scotland?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Would you like to say anything else?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Of course, that is, in your case, particularly relevant with regard to local councillors. What do you consider the purpose of an SPCB-supported commissioner to be, particularly in your case? How does it differ from that of ministers, MSPs and other public bodies? What is the importance of your independence in all of that?