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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Can that letter be shared with the committee?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you want to say any more on that, Kirsten?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We turn to questions from Murdo Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

The Scottish Fiscal Commission is in a Scottish Government-owned building next to St Andrew’s house but is still very much seen as being independent. That is an alternative example.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Perhaps they could use space in an existing building.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome, everyone, to the 12th meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting, but Ash Regan will join us later, as she is giving evidence to another parliamentary committee this morning.

I am very pleased and grateful to welcome members of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body and supporting officials to the committee. Today, we have with us our colleague Maggie Chapman, who has responsibility for business support and office-holders, and Jackson Carlaw, who has responsibility for finance and organisation governance. Supporting them is Allan Campbell, head of operations of the chief executive group of the SPCB. I see that everyone is happy to proceed, so we will move directly to questions, the first of which will be from me.

Our witnesses might be anticipating this question, as we have consistently put it to witnesses to start off our evidence sessions, but it gets to the heart of why the committee is undertaking this work. What do you believe to be the purpose of an SPCB-supported body and how does it differ from a Scottish Government-supported body, from Scottish ministers or, indeed, from MSPs?

When you answer, it might be helpful if you could touch on the following. We have heard evidence that SPCB-supported bodies are often created when independence from Government is required for the body to fulfil its functions—in other words, when it is important for the body to be perceived as independent. However, we have also taken evidence from the Scottish Government-funded bodies, many of whom are seen to be independent of the Government—in fact, you could argue that all of them are—and are not funded by the SPCB, but by the Scottish Government. In addition, then, do you believe that the SPCB accountability model offers greater independence than Government-funded bodies?

Those are the questions that we have been wrestling with and I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on them. I do not know who wants to go first. Will it be you, Maggie Chapman?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We accept the challenge. Maggie Chapman, do you want to add anything?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was very helpful.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

As colleagues have no other questions in this area, I will ask one final question. It goes back to our discussion a few moments ago before the suspension, when Richard Leonard and Lorna Slater were asking questions about the powers and functions that the bodies have.

Do you have a view on whether the SPSO or the SHRC are currently set up to take on any additional powers, such as incorporating rights-based commissioners? I am interested in hearing your views on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes; I have got that feedback. I am just going to suspend the meeting briefly.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

10:54 On resuming—