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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will be speaking to the Scottish Government and the Auditor General in the weeks ahead, so you have maybe provided us with some direction. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will move on now. With respect, Mr Leonard, you might want to pursue some of those issues in your other committee. I thank you both for that exchange.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I suspend the meeting for a few minutes to change witnesses.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

10:32 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes. I appreciate that it was quite a broad question, but your remarks are helpful. As you state in your written submission, you have a specialist independent oversight function. You also mention that, interestingly, you are the newest commissioner.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Your written submission was really helpful, because you did not talk only about your function and that of the body; you also spoke to the wider challenge that we have been given by the Parliament and more broadly. Will you talk a bit more about what you perceive to be the current role of the SPCB supported bodies in enhancing public trust and confidence in public life in Scotland, both in terms of your responsibilities and, more widely, anything else that you want to emphasise?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will ask about the review bodies. The bill provides for a review oversight committee and for case review panels to carry out the work involved in reviews. I would be grateful if you could outline the Scottish Government’s thinking in proposing that approach and the proposed membership of those bodies.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Section 11 and the schedule are quite specific about membership. Section 11 states that the review oversight committee must include

“representatives of voluntary organisations which provide services to individuals”.

However, it does not require that they have specific knowledge of domestic abuse. I am interested in any comment on that. The schedule discourages the appointment of people who are involved in victims organisations as chairs of the review oversight committee or case review panels. I am interested in fully appreciating the rationale for that.

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for that, and thank you particularly for emphasising the point in paragraph 3(2) of the schedule about the restriction applying to the period of the year prior to the appointment. That is a key point for us to consider.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was very helpful and succinct. Of course, those of us around the table in the Parliament are aware of what you have said, but it is helpful to get that on the record for our inquiry and our work.

The origins of your organisation are interesting. We can look back to the beginning of devolution, when there was a local government ombudsman, a health service ombudsman and a housing association ombudsman. In time, those roles came together. How does your organisation find operating across different policy areas? In local government, you look at the welfare fund and other issues, and you have functions relating to whistleblowing in the NHS. It would be interesting to hear any comments about public trust in that regard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will build on some of that before I bring in Ash Regan. You said earlier that it would be helpful to be able to share information between ombudsmen and commissioners. You may have said everything that you want to say in response to Richard Leonard, but is there anything more that you want to add on barriers to sharing services?

I know that Richard Leonard touched on the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland, and I am interested in the Scottish Human Rights Commission, too. I would be interested to know how you work with those bodies. For example, last week they published a bit of work on independent living, which, of course, is related to local government. I wondered how you collaborate, given that there is some overlap there, although obviously you deal with complaints and they are more proactive and investigatory. I am interested in any thoughts that you may have on that.