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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was really interesting. We move from budget setting and scrutiny to questions about criteria and decision making for creating officers of Parliament. To probe those issues a little, I pass to our colleague Murdo Fraser, who joins us remotely.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee.

Ash Regan MSP has sent her apologies for the start of this meeting and hopes to join us later. I have received no other apologies. I am joined in the room by Richard Leonard MSP and Lorna Slater MSP. Our colleague Murdo Fraser MSP joins us remotely.

Today, the committee will take evidence on the New Zealand officers of Parliament. We are pleased to welcome Dr David Wilson, clerk of the House of Representatives of the New Zealand Parliament. Thank you for your time and for being with us this morning, Dr Wilson. We are looking forward to hearing your insights. Thank you for taking our questions and joining us for our evidence taking.

We will move directly to questions. My first question is quite generic. At the start of each previous evidence session, we have asked those in front of us what they think the purpose of an SPCB-supported body is. In the same way, for completeness, I would be grateful if you could outline what the purpose of a New Zealand officer of Parliament is and what you think their purpose is.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was really helpful additional information, Dr Wilson. I see that colleagues in the room have no further questions.

Thank you again for your time and insights. We are grateful to have heard from you this morning—it is morning where we are and it is evening where you are. You mentioned at one point that you might follow up with a bit more detail—if you could, we would be grateful for it.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Please do.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is fascinating. Thank you for sharing all that. I will hand over to my colleagues to pick up those points.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

How does an officer of Parliament work along with the rest of the legislature to scrutinise and hold the Executive to account?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes, please.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is interesting that, because of the criteria and processes that have been in place since 1989, New Zealand’s Parliament has kept the officers of Parliament very tight and structured, whereas, looking at the list of Crown entities, I see that they seem to have developed in a less streamlined and systematic way.

I want to go back to one of your earlier answers. It would be good to get a little more clarity on the process that is involved when there is a proposal for a new officer of Parliament. Would a proposal go to the Officers of Parliament Committee before it was legislated for, and would it be considered again by the committee once legislation was introduced? During any scrutiny processes, would subject committees refer to the criteria as well? You spoke earlier about how some proposed officers of Parliament have been considered by the Environment Committee, for example. Would subject committees apply the criteria in the same way?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. That is a really helpful clarification. I hand back to Lorna Slater to ask questions on support and resources for officers of Parliament.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is helpful. Finally, is there anything that you want to express or emphasise to us that you think might be helpful and that you have not had a chance to mention in relation to how things operate in New Zealand?