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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is not for me to involve myself in the minutiae of that discussion. I note the points that have been discussed this morning. They are of course of pertinence to the Government, and we will take them away and consider them seriously, as you would expect.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Could I first bring in Amanda Callaghan, please?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Which decision?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

There was not a contradiction earlier. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding or miscommunication on my behalf. The University of Dundee is an autonomous organisation. In unprecedented circumstances, we are in a section 25 situation. The consideration to approve the decision is between the SFC and the Scottish Government, which are continuing in dialogue, in these unprecedented circumstances, with an entity that is an autonomous organisation.

It is not simple. We have heard the evidence this morning, we hear the committee’s concerns and we are equally committed to ensuring that this is a success. We have answered these questions—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

We have just had a discussion about decisions that still need to be made. Of course I am not going to tell you what allocations may or may not be moved within Government budgets in relation to in-year funding. That is a matter for the Government and we will consider it as we continue—in good faith, with a determination to achieve positive outcomes for an institution that, as you would expect, we care deeply about—to make the right decisions and to support that autonomous organisation that, as I mentioned earlier, is succeeding, so that it will continue to succeed in the unprecedented circumstances of the governance issues that we are all aware of.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

There is a lot of fair comment there. What I do not think is fair is not recognising that my officials and I have come here in good faith, seeking to give the committee clarity. However, I appreciate the ask and I understand the public interest. We will try in good faith to honour what you have requested, Mr Briggs, in the ways that we can.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

We value the campuses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am not clear on the timeline. I think—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I agree that it is an important piece of work. As you would expect, I am committed to engaging with the SFC on the report and the very important issues that it raises in the immediate term, and I look forward to engaging with it on those issues in the period ahead.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

A challenge for Government and all its partners in this work is to build capacity in the skills system to meet the need that is coming. As I have said, engagement with the college sector is a priority for me. Part of that is about looking at what more we can do collectively with regard to transformation to ensure that, when it comes to areas of growth and when employers are looking to services and the skills capacity in the economy, they will have comfort that they will be able to get the people that they need ahead of making any investment.

I know that from my very pertinent constituency experience with the port of Leith. One of my aspirations in this role is to deliver more in this space for the whole country and to ensure that we have the people that businesses require to make investments with confidence—and, crucially, that when those investments materialise, we see growth and social benefit in those areas of strength. The obvious example is renewables, but there are other sectors, too, and it all needs to be related to financial planning, which brings me back to your point.

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