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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

There is a lot of fair comment there. What I do not think is fair is not recognising that my officials and I have come here in good faith, seeking to give the committee clarity. However, I appreciate the ask and I understand the public interest. We will try in good faith to honour what you have requested, Mr Briggs, in the ways that we can.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

We value the campuses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am not clear on the timeline. I think—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I agree that it is an important piece of work. As you would expect, I am committed to engaging with the SFC on the report and the very important issues that it raises in the immediate term, and I look forward to engaging with it on those issues in the period ahead.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

A challenge for Government and all its partners in this work is to build capacity in the skills system to meet the need that is coming. As I have said, engagement with the college sector is a priority for me. Part of that is about looking at what more we can do collectively with regard to transformation to ensure that, when it comes to areas of growth and when employers are looking to services and the skills capacity in the economy, they will have comfort that they will be able to get the people that they need ahead of making any investment.

I know that from my very pertinent constituency experience with the port of Leith. One of my aspirations in this role is to deliver more in this space for the whole country and to ensure that we have the people that businesses require to make investments with confidence—and, crucially, that when those investments materialise, we see growth and social benefit in those areas of strength. The obvious example is renewables, but there are other sectors, too, and it all needs to be related to financial planning, which brings me back to your point.

11:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is a totally fair question, but I ask Parliament to give me some time. I say this in good faith: one thing that I was really determined to emphasise in my opening statement last week, and which I added to the draft myself, was that I want to be clear that, although there is an on-going primary legislation process, I also want to do what I can, while I am charged with this responsibility, to advance skills in planning and the skills agenda in ways that do not require legislative change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank Mr Greer for what is, as always, an interesting question.

On the one hand, our universities receive significant amounts of public money through the SFC. On the other, they are independent institutions, and it is proper for the Government to respect that. I think that the position is adequate at the moment, but I thank the member for raising the matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate the points that have been raised, and I will reflect on them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will not speculate on board discussions that I was not part of or in the room to hear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

This is the situation that I was alluding to. I appreciate Parliament’s focus on the matter as a result of reports that were published and put into the public domain on Friday. However, it is a matter that has been under almost constant discussion for ministers, including my predecessor. Ministers are, all the time, across the question of how we support our colleges.

There is a live discussion about a specific figure. We are seeking advice from the SFC on a range of matters, including support for our colleges. In this post, I look forward to engaging with our college sector through Colleges Scotland, which is the body that represents them. I also look forward to engaging with individual institutions in the period ahead.