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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will get to questions about function and similar points later in today’s evidence session. Thank you, both, for that helpful and insightful information. Craig Naylor, please come in on all the points that have been raised—and thanks for waiting patiently.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Who would like to answer that first?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

John Ireland, a few moments ago, you wanted to come in but did not manage to. Do you want to come in now?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and thank you both for your time in giving evidence and for your submissions.

During the Brexit process, I was the Scottish Government Minister for Europe, Migration and International Development. At that time, the Scottish Government published a number of papers under the heading, “Scotland’s Place in Europe.” One of those papers, which was published in June 2018, focused on the impact of Brexit on cross-border crime and co-operation. It warned about the negative impact that the Brexit process and the withdrawal agreement—as it was then conceived, and later signed—would have in relation to Europol, the European arrest warrant, the European investigation order, the Schengen information system II, participation in Eurojust and the European protection order.

From what you have said today, it is clear that, latterly, since the withdrawal agreement was signed and the process took place, we are in a worse position. That is what your evidence seems to articulate. Am I interpreting that correctly?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Professors, I apologise if this question is broader than your remit but I am interested to hear your insights on it. You may be aware that, particularly in central Scotland at the moment, there are some challenges that Police Scotland is working hard to address—successfully, in recent weeks—in relation to organised crime and its connections with the United Arab Emirates.

I know, based on further research that I have undertaken—it was not academic research as yours was—that organised crime is an issue that is being faced on the European continent as well as here in the UK. How does our criminal justice system seek to address organised criminals that are operating out of the United Arab Emirates? Does the research that you have brought to us and elaborated on today cover that wider dimension, particularly in relation to surrender and extradition?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

I would be really interested in it, and I am sure that the rest of the committee would be as well.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you have any evidence that that is not happening enough?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is fair to say that, despite the political approach of the UK Government at the time, which involved a hard Brexit, the agreement that the civil service negotiated has clearly turned out better than many of us feared might be the case. I appreciate that you do not want to get involved in the political aspects of this, but it is helpful and important for us to recognise that, because of the Brexit outcome, we are in an operational deficit. Like you, I am interested in how we can improve that situation. Your pivot to the point on how we can continue to improve the operational situation was helpful.

Your presentation talked about there being a

“clear political willingness on both sides to develop a closer relationship”.

That is a good thing. What measures should the Scottish Government prioritise to improve the way in which police and prosecutors can co-operate with the EU, which do not require changes to the current political agreements and which could be relatively easily agreed between the UK and the EU? Following today’s evidence, we will think about what we recommend to both the Crown Office and the Scottish Government. We may also want to liaise with our counterparts on the UK Justice Committee on how we can play a part in pressing the UK Government to do more. I am interested to hear any further thoughts that you might have in that regard, and then I have one other question.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very interesting. If you have anything further to follow up on the point about third countries—