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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

Through the evaluation that we published in December 2020, we have a good understanding of the impact on carers of the carers allowance supplement, and we know that it makes a difference. The questions around what can be financed within this year are also part of the budgetary process. That is the question that differentiates this payment from future budget considerations, where we would be thinking as a Parliament about what we would set in the forthcoming budget, in order to make those payments in the year ahead. We have had to secure that resource within the current budget and we have been able to do that at the rate that we paid previously, which we know, through our evaluation, has made an impact.

Does Andrew Strong want to make any further points?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

The passporting considerations that you have highlighted are some of the main barriers. We should be mindful that a key aspect of the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 was that carers allowance supplement was a temporary measure to provide assistance as quickly as we could while we continued to build up and deliver Scottish carers assistance. The fact that, at £67.60 a week, carers allowance is the lowest of all working-age benefits was part of our considerations around that and why we wanted to act.

Under the overlapping benefits rule, carers with an underlying entitlement will typically be in receipt of benefits that are paid at a higher rate. Carers can be in receipt of both the carers element of universal credit and carers allowance and, therefore, the carers allowance supplement. There is a helpful element there in extending eligibility for the coronavirus carers allowance supplement, which was what we did last year under the coronavirus legislation.

To include carers with underlying entitlement would have required significant resources from Social Security Scotland and social security staff in the Scottish Government, and engagement with the DWP to develop new processes. That is a real challenge and remains so, so it would have taken longer to deliver the payment and it would have needed to be supported by the DWP.

That is why the priority for Social Security Scotland was to make sure that people continued to apply for and receive existing benefits. Extending eligibility for existing benefits would have put additional pressure on those services when they were needed most, which is why we decided to make an additional payment through the carers allowance supplement to get the resource to people as quickly and expediently as possible.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

That is an important question. I highlight the point that I made in my opening remarks that we acknowledge the expedited timetable and appreciate the engagement of all in that. Over the course of the past year, we have engaged with carers organisations on the positive effect of the additional payment in the Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Act 2020. There was wide support for that payment. I engaged with carers organisations during the summer recess on those points, as did my officials.

The need to pass primary legislation to make the payment in early December—we want it to be then because we want people to have it in good time for the festive period—means that we have expedited the process. However, the bill is narrow in scope and is focused on enabling us to make the payment. We would of course normally want to engage in a longer legislative process but, given the timing of the election, the start of the new parliamentary session and the hard deadline of wanting to make the payment in early December, I think that a reasonable course has been taken.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

Given that, under the enabling power, the regulations would be limited to increasing the level of the supplement for a specific period or periods, it was considered that the enhanced level of scrutiny that is provided by SCOSS is not necessary. The regulations would have a very narrow scope.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

There are wider questions for us all about how, collectively, we continue, as we are obligated to do in the 2018 act—the Government takes this very seriously—to raise individuals’ and communities’ awareness of what benefits they are entitled to and to encourage people to apply. Social Security Scotland does that on a regular basis, especially towards particular milestones of applications opening or closing. You will have seen that in the activity that Social Security Scotland undertakes, and members play an important role in raising awareness of that.

We take the evaluation of our policies very seriously. In Social Security Scotland alone, we have invested £165,000 in policy evaluations, to date, and we are currently considering our future evaluation programme. We will provide updates on that shortly.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

With regard to the on-going considerations around Scottish carers assistance, I have already specified that we are engaging with stakeholders on a detailed options analysis, and we will consult on proposals in the winter of 2021-22. That is forthcoming. Detailed analysis is also going on through our engagement with the carer benefits advisory group and other stakeholders and individuals. We are having the kind of wide engagement that you would expect us to have.

As members will know, the development of any of our new benefits involves significant engagement with the DWP on passporting and case transfer. In our consultation and in developing Scottish carers assistance, we will look at the changes that we can potentially make to eligibility in Scotland without affecting the passporting process and creating unintended consequences and losses for people.

We will endeavour to transfer cases from the DWP as quickly as possible, although members will be aware that Shirley-Anne Somerville updated Parliament in the spring on the wider issue, when she said that we were working towards 2025 with regard to case transfer. It is a very important process that needs to be safe and secure, and stakeholders understand that that is a priority for all of us to ensure that nobody falls through the gaps and people get their support.

From an information technology infrastructure and delivery perspective, we need to build capacity in Social Security Scotland, which turned three years old yesterday. It has developed at a remarkable pace and is delivering for and serving the people of Scotland well, but we need to continue to build that strength in the organisation. After all, it needs a very strong foundation if it is to deliver for decades to come.

We are moving forward at pace and are looking to make a meaningful difference with the delivery of Scottish carers assistance.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

Mr Briggs raises some important points. Of course, the introduction of the young carer grant was an initiative that the Scottish Government has delivered. It represents a change, utilising the powers that we have.

You may or may not be aware of this, but just last week we received an interim evaluation of the young carer grant. We will consider that evaluation and the points made by Mr Briggs, and we will continue to consider—as we do on a regular basis with all that we deliver—how stakeholders and clients are responding to and receiving the benefits that we provide and whether improvements can and should be made. We will consider the evaluation and we will keep the committee updated as appropriate.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

I will bring in Andrew Strong in a minute, but you will know that we worked closely and quickly with the DWP to put in place breaks-in-care easements for carers at the start of the pandemic and to extend them for as long as we and stakeholders felt they were needed.

Andrew, you have engaged significantly with carers organisations on those points, and I would be grateful if you could answer in more detail for Mr Briggs.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

As always, it is about how we utilise Government mechanisms, the statutory services and interactions with voluntary organisations and representative groups to raise awareness in their networks proactively and within communal space and other means by which people interact or gather together, using proactive communications through social media and other mechanisms, and giving a strong emphasis to the Scottish Government and Social Security Scotland using our channels and trying to get others to amplify through their networks to do all that we can to encourage benefit take-up in Scotland and ensure that people get what they are entitled to, because we want them to have that, and we want to support them.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Ben Macpherson

We know from our experience with the best start foods payment that individuals like such payments to be made early in December, and part of the reason for the expedited timetable is to ensure that we can deliver that.

As you would expect, I listened attentively to the previous evidence. We were unable to make the payment in June because of the Parliament’s timetable in the run-up to the end of the parliamentary session and the fact that there was no capacity to consider primary legislation. However, as was pointed out in the previous evidence session, the timing of this payment—in December—will be very welcome to many, given the budget pressures that people face at that time.

With regard to future years, the allocation has been made in this year’s budget to make the payment proposed in the bill. There are questions with regard to what will happen in future years, which is why we are seeking to create this enabling power, and it will be a question for the budget process, which will begin shortly for the whole Parliament, whether resource will be set aside and applied next year. In the bill, we want to create the enabling power to facilitate that, should that be the Parliament’s decision.

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