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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is really helpful that you have underlined that collaborative approach. I appreciate your point about the comparative ratio. The Scottish Government constantly thinks about efficiency and value for money, particularly at the moment, and rightly so, given the wider fiscal environment and pressures, but does it take into account the SPCB’s capacity when proposing a new body, such as a victims and witnesses commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Colleagues will ask about some of those areas later.

An issue that has been on our minds is that, at last week’s meeting, we heard from three public bodies that, although different types of arm’s-length Government bodies, are still very much seen, both in Parliament and in the public domain, as being independent of Government. For example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission stated that it does not think that if it were to be an SPCB-supported body it would mean that it would function any more independently than it does now, with funding from the Scottish Government. How does the Scottish Government determine the level of independence from Government that a new public body would require? Does your consideration of the creation of new public bodies fit with the Scottish Government’s wider public service reform programme? I am sorry—you have just answered that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We are glad to hear that there is an openness about that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

As we form our conclusions about how we move forward collectively, that openness for rethinking some of the methodology will be useful for us all.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Future generations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We appreciate that the public sector reform programme will take some time, and that it involves a large piece of evaluation, followed by consideration and then implementation. As part of our work, we want to see whether there are things that we can constructively recommend that dovetail into that. Whether that will require primary legislation or not is still to be determined. I do not think that the Scottish Parliament has done a consolidation act at all, but it does happen in the United Kingdom Parliament, and it might be interesting to consider that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I note that one of the other committees in the Parliament is looking at scrutiny and what committees do. Some interesting issues have come up in this session that may relate to that work, so I appreciate your answers on those points, minister.

We go back to Richard Leonard on questions about auditing.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Ash Regan raised some points in our evidence session with the Scottish Human Rights Commission, and I think that those have also been raised in other committees.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Although this is anecdotal, I add that my experience as a Scottish minister was always that there was a perception and an understanding that you were independent of Government. Your points around perception and understanding are interesting for our committee’s considerations.

Julie Paterson, do you want to come in on those points?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I understand.

Is there anything that any of you wants to relay or to emphasise to us that you have not had the chance to talk about in this morning’s evidence? I see that no one has anything to add.

I thank you for your time and for the insights that you have shared with us today. We are grateful for them.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:15.