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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Craig Naylor, do you want to add anything?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

In the public perception, the term “commission” might signify that there is a commissioner to advocate on people’s behalf. That is one of the issues that we are looking at, because there are a number of commissioners that are funded by the Parliament.

Julie Paterson, your organisation is a commission without a commissioner. Do you have any thoughts on that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is interesting that you all have different setups. That is helpful for our consideration.

I have one last question. I hope that this does not sound overly semantic. What do you see as being the difference between a commissioner and a commission? We have a number of commissioners and commissions, including the Scottish Fiscal Commission. Do you think that we should use that language more carefully?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

I would be really interested in it, and I am sure that the rest of the committee would be as well.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you have any evidence that that is not happening enough?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is fair to say that, despite the political approach of the UK Government at the time, which involved a hard Brexit, the agreement that the civil service negotiated has clearly turned out better than many of us feared might be the case. I appreciate that you do not want to get involved in the political aspects of this, but it is helpful and important for us to recognise that, because of the Brexit outcome, we are in an operational deficit. Like you, I am interested in how we can improve that situation. Your pivot to the point on how we can continue to improve the operational situation was helpful.

Your presentation talked about there being a

“clear political willingness on both sides to develop a closer relationship”.

That is a good thing. What measures should the Scottish Government prioritise to improve the way in which police and prosecutors can co-operate with the EU, which do not require changes to the current political agreements and which could be relatively easily agreed between the UK and the EU? Following today’s evidence, we will think about what we recommend to both the Crown Office and the Scottish Government. We may also want to liaise with our counterparts on the UK Justice Committee on how we can play a part in pressing the UK Government to do more. I am interested to hear any further thoughts that you might have in that regard, and then I have one other question.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very interesting. If you have anything further to follow up on the point about third countries—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

That does not surprise me.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and thank you both for your time in giving evidence and for your submissions.

During the Brexit process, I was the Scottish Government Minister for Europe, Migration and International Development. At that time, the Scottish Government published a number of papers under the heading, “Scotland’s Place in Europe.” One of those papers, which was published in June 2018, focused on the impact of Brexit on cross-border crime and co-operation. It warned about the negative impact that the Brexit process and the withdrawal agreement—as it was then conceived, and later signed—would have in relation to Europol, the European arrest warrant, the European investigation order, the Schengen information system II, participation in Eurojust and the European protection order.

From what you have said today, it is clear that, latterly, since the withdrawal agreement was signed and the process took place, we are in a worse position. That is what your evidence seems to articulate. Am I interpreting that correctly?