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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Good morning. I will build on some of the previous answers. As has been said, many of the considerations around this primary legislation are to do with behaviour change. In fact, the policy memorandum states that the legislation is about moving towards sustainable consumption and production. However, a lot of that behaviour change is already happening, and the question for us as a Parliament is whether we require primary legislation and how that should be considered and implemented in order to accelerate the change that I think you have all communicated is a shared ambition.

A lot of that innovation is already taking place, so how should the Scottish Government and the Parliament, in its scrutiny, ensure that any future targets that are introduced using the powers in the bill strike the right balance between encouraging innovation and investment in circular business models and not disrupting the innovation that is already taking place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Is there a need to have consistency of expectation from businesses? Some businesses more than others are already undertaking innovation. How challenging is the industry of others and any lesser commitment to sustainability? Do some businesses that are being more sustainable think, “Well, that’s not very fair. I’m putting in all this effort and cost to do my part, so why is my competitor not doing the same?” Will the bill help in that regard?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Section 9 is to do with considerations around charges for single-use items. You have touched on this somewhat already, but it would be good to hear what potential impacts you foresee from implementation of charges on single-use items. What are the key business opportunities and risks? When it introduces any further charges on single-use items, what lessons should the Scottish Government learn from its approach to previous environmental charges, such as the single-use carrier bag charge and aspects of the deposit return scheme?

I note the point that Colin Smith made earlier about there being certain circumstances in which a reciprocal arrangement is needed. Although we want to encourage people to use reusable products where they can, the circumstances are different when people are buying a beverage or going to a supermarket or any shop for physical goods. Can you talk through some of your considerations around that? It is the same issue, in principle, but the circumstances are quite important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Does anyone have anything to add?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you both very much for that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, all. I will build on what my colleague Michelle Thomson asked about. Thinking back to before the Verity house agreement, in recent years, one of the main reasons for ring fencing and direction was because of political pressure being applied on the Scottish Government by Opposition parties and others to meet certain policy obligations that required local government to be a significant part—the main part—of that delivery. As we move on after the Verity house agreement, open up the flexibility and remove the ring fencing and direction—for clarity, I support that approach—what should be the Scottish Government’s role if a local authority is failing to improve outcomes in an area of national priority such as education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

I want to build on what Ruth Maguire asked. The answer from Dr Hutchison and the elaboration from Carrie Lindsay on teacher numbers was really interesting and important. I want to be absolutely clear: you think that consideration, whether in our public discourse, media commentary or analysis, should be given to the pupil teacher ratio rather than teacher numbers. Was I correct in taking that as your overarching message?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for that emphasis and clarification.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

I am familiar with the best value report process and the considerations thereafter around how the Government and, in this instance, the education inspectorate should engage with the specific local authority, both at a political level and an official level. It seems that you have outlined that that is the right course for Scottish ministers and for parliamentary pressure to be directed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, both, for your reflections. That is helpful.