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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

That is a really helpful and important point. Some of the feedback on the review that I have received in my capacity as a constituency MSP has been on ensuring that we meet the needs of industry and the economy in a tight labour market—something that we have discussed in different capacities in the past—that is the result of external factors. What engagement needs to happen with the business community to ensure that, in that overall scenario, we nurture and consider its needs as well as young people’s abilities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

Mr Withers, you said earlier that public sector reform takes time and—please excuse me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

Then parties will need to be responsible as to how they position themselves before 2026.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

I will direct this question initially to Pauline Walker and Peter Bain, as they have already commented on these issues, but I am happy to hear from others, too.

We have already gone over this somewhat, but one of the key tensions lies in how we support a system in which there is a great deal of freedom to enable young people to realise their potential and develop their abilities while, at the same time, we have a system of accountability, with all the considerations in that respect. After all, Parliament will want to comment on the statistics, the media will want to write about them and commentators will want to talk about them, too. There has been some criticism—for example, in the Morgan review—that too much focus has been placed on attainment results in measuring the success of schools. At the moment, who holds schools accountable for their performance? Who supports improvement? How does the system work currently, and what would you like to be changed so that it works differently and better in future? Pauline, can you respond to that question first?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

I am content with that. I thank the witnesses for all their answers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

Tolerance. That is the word that you used, wisely.

A common theme that we have heard from a number of people who have given evidence to us recently is that the political arena needs to create the space and have the maturity and tolerance to enable the change that needs to happen. Do you want to say anything more about that? It is a responsibility that we and our colleagues need to share and about which we need to be serious.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for sharing that inspirational story, Mr Hutton. To follow on from what you said, it is important to emphasise that, although Pauline Walker and you have stated that interventions, alternatives and innovative programmes are expensive, we must keep in mind what they create in respect of young people contributing to society and what they save in respect of the Christie principles and potentially in respect of other services.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

The review mentions other recently published reviews of education and skills, and you have spoken about your engagement with Professor Hayward. How can the Scottish Government best oversee this period of reform? How quickly can we move forward? In your opening answer, you talked about being glad that some time is being taken to consider implementation but said that there should a balance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

You talked about momentum earlier. Should there be momentum for pressing on and making progress on change and implementation in relation to the common themes that are shared between the reviews?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Ben Macpherson

That is when they flourish. I have seen that many times.