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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Is there engagement with the SPCB itself, given its limited number of members?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is helpful to get that clarity.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Minister, you kindly agreed to write to the committee to follow up on some of the points that Richard Leonard raised, and Ash Regan and I will consider how to follow up on her questions in relation to things that have been said in public in this committee and in others. We will engage in correspondence on that.

All that is left to do is to thank the minister and his officials for taking the time to be with us today. It has been a very helpful evidence-taking session, and it is great to hear wider emphasis on the need for collaboration between the Parliament and the Government in all this.

10:40 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you both.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Do members have any other questions? Lorna Slater, do you want to come in?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is really helpful that you have underlined that collaborative approach. I appreciate your point about the comparative ratio. The Scottish Government constantly thinks about efficiency and value for money, particularly at the moment, and rightly so, given the wider fiscal environment and pressures, but does it take into account the SPCB’s capacity when proposing a new body, such as a victims and witnesses commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Colleagues will ask about some of those areas later.

An issue that has been on our minds is that, at last week’s meeting, we heard from three public bodies that, although different types of arm’s-length Government bodies, are still very much seen, both in Parliament and in the public domain, as being independent of Government. For example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission stated that it does not think that if it were to be an SPCB-supported body it would mean that it would function any more independently than it does now, with funding from the Scottish Government. How does the Scottish Government determine the level of independence from Government that a new public body would require? Does your consideration of the creation of new public bodies fit with the Scottish Government’s wider public service reform programme? I am sorry—you have just answered that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We are glad to hear that there is an openness about that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

As we form our conclusions about how we move forward collectively, that openness for rethinking some of the methodology will be useful for us all.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Future generations.