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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

This will not work unless there is capacity and capability to heed the calls. It is about ensuring that people who know how to do that stuff have the confidence to do it. That is not going to happen unless there is support. Is there a possibility of considering broad duties to support capacity building or the Government looking at how it could use its agencies to help local communities to develop the skills, know-how and wherewithal to approach community wealth building? Unless people are starting businesses and creating community organisations and initiatives, community wealth building will just not happen. No amount of consultation or reports in the world will change that.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I guess the key question is: are you open to exploring some of those possibilities through stage 2?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

Fantastic—I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will tease out the other element. My understanding is that, according to news reports, the Ministry of Defence is currently examining whether Chinese electric vehicles should be allowed on Ministry of Defence sites. Again, I emphasise the point that our bus network is critical national infrastructure. If we view the bus network as critical national infrastructure, do you think that we need to examine where we are sourcing buses from, considering the elements of national security?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I just wanted to understand that. I will ask about two broad issues. First, how did we get here and, secondly, what can be done? I will delve into the points that Derek Thomson brought up around the Subsidy Control Act 2022 and the art of the possible. On how we got here, we have some numbers in front of us. It basically looks like the business has struggled to recover to pre-pandemic volumes. The pre-pandemic volume of buses was around 1,200 a year, and the business has been unable to recover to that level. Is that the correct assessment, or are there other factors that we should be aware of and be looking at?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

On that, I am looking at the head count numbers and the balance between production and selling and administration. Compared with pre-pandemic levels, production head count is lower, but selling and admin are considerably higher. Is there a question here about the focus of the business? Is it focusing more on the administrative side of things as opposed to the production side, or is that a red herring? I apologise if I am asking daft laddie questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will ask a question that I have asked in private. The last thing that you need is politicians describing the situation—you need politicians to do things. There are things for the UK Government to do and there are things for the Scottish Government to do. Are there things that MSPs could be doing individually to support your efforts to try either to win contracts or find solutions? What are the asks that you would make of us as MSPs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

That would be great.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I guess that I am saying that we should update existing guidance or legislation. I am not saying that it should be replaced; I am saying only that it should be updated.

I also wonder whether the bill could update the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015, as has already been alluded to. When we talk to community organisations, we sense that there is a feeling that, despite the mechanism in that act, public authorities do not necessarily help them to make their bids, let alone local authorities and other public bodies such as health boards baking into their service design the possibility of the 2015 act—for example, its community asset transfer powers—being used in relation to running parts of their public service delivery.

Could there be an update to the 2015 act to create obligations to facilitate and enable such bids and to consider the provisions of the act and community wealth building as part of public service design and implementation?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I am interested in understanding the scope of your representation on site. What is the breakdown of the areas that the two unions represent?