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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Stephen Kerr would like to come in with a supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Before we close, I would like to ask one more question. The issues surrounding Alexander Dennis are very topical. Just before the summer, we took evidence from trade unions and the business itself, and one of the bits of information that we looked at in our briefing paper was the level of support that Scottish Enterprise had provided.

I have two questions about that. First, we understand that Scottish Enterprise made available a total of £30.5 million to Alexander Dennis over a 10-year period, but your website refers to a figure of £17.6 million, so I would be interested if you could clarify what the balance is made up of.

More importantly, in 2023, according to your website, you provided £4.8 million to Alexander Dennis. That is some 5 per cent of the £100 million, roughly, that goes out the door. We also know that the vast bulk of the Scottish zero-emission bus challenge fund money ended up being used to buy buses from overseas. Given that you have spent that money, is there a lesson to be learned there about conditionality and taking a joined-up approach so that we ensure that we build indigenous industries, especially in critical areas. I would describe buses as critical infrastructure.

Could you clarify where the balance of £12.9 million, which is the difference between the £30.5 million and the £17.6 million, came from? Critically, are there lessons to be learned in relation to the funding that you have provided in recent years? Could a more strategic and joined-up approach be taken?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much for responding to an extensive range of questions over a prolonged period of time. I thank both our witnesses for their contributions this morning.

We will have a brief suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:13 Meeting suspended.  

11:18 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

What proportion of that £70-something million goes in direct awards in terms of grants, loans and investment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. Do committee members agree to take in private, under agenda item 3 of this meeting and in future meetings, discussion of our pre-budget evidence?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Those are all indirect outcomes and benefits. Do you have a clear analysis of direct benefits—in other words, projects that Scottish Enterprise wholly or partly funded and the results that they achieved? Are those benefits reported in your annual report? I struggled to identify them.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

The point that you just made about the longer-term view was very interesting. Would you be able to provide the committee with that analysis of the investments over that period?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Do you set an explicit target for those metrics?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

That information would be very useful. Although case studies would be useful, summary information on the totality of that funding and the high-level criteria that are applied would be most useful. My understanding is that the criteria are applied to particular sectors and to companies of particular ages. Could you clarify the criteria that are applied to the productivity funding and the other grant streams?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

I accept that. I do not think that anyone is arguing with the fact that the company needed the investment and that you were absolutely right to provide it. The issue is the mismatch. You put in £4.8 million in 2023, and £2 million was provided in the previous four years, but Alexander Dennis did not win a substantial proportion of the £41.7 million that was available under ScotZEB. There is a question to be asked about whether you were investing in the right things or whether the Scottish Government should have applied more conditionality to make sure that your investment made good for the Scottish economy.