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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

In what has been published, is there sufficient additional clarity on the how?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I do not know who might be best placed to answer this. The cost is one element, but there is also a ceiling on the temperature to which electrical sources can heat things. That might suffice for some processes such as distillation, but it certainly would not for others such as cement or concrete manufacture or for other very high-heat applications.

We might not have an industry-specific representative on the panel, but does any of our witnesses have any insight on that? Do we need more focused research and development on how we can replace gas as a high-heat energy source?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I think that Richard Woolley was hoping to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

But my question is whether that is happening anywhere in the world.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I would like to ask a few final questions. I have a couple of technical points that I will direct to Professor de Leeuw. On a number of occasions, you have made the point that we need to understand the underlying assumptions, principally about the costs, but I wonder whether that point also relates to the emission pathways. The advice from the Climate Change Committee suggests that we need balanced pathways and for those pathways to be broken down by sector, and the CCP takes a similar approach, but the differences between the pathways that the Climate Change Committee has set out and the ones that are set out in the CCP are not entirely clear. Is that another area in which we need to understand the underlying assumptions that the Scottish Government has made in order to understand the differentials? Is that a fair point to highlight?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Richard Woolley, I know that you want to come in on that, but I want to ask you something specific. As well as industrial heat, the other area that is of particular interest is the use of hydrocarbons as a primary product for industrial production, whether that is in pharmaceuticals or the chemicals industry more broadly, with dyes and plastics that are absolutely key to the economy. The replacement of hydrocarbons in those processes is very much reliant on recycling. What are your thoughts and views about how clear this plan is on replacing hydrocarbons in our wider supply chains?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I thank all the witnesses for their contributions over quite a sustained period—they have been incredibly useful. Given its scope, the draft climate change plan is an expansive document that encompasses a huge number of things, and that has been reflected in the length of our evidence session. The session has been hugely useful and very interesting, and you have all given the committee a lot to go away and think about.

12:21 Meeting continued in private until 12:32.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

That is very helpful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I move to our witnesses from industry. I will ask a couple of more detailed questions about the role that hydrocarbons play in our industrial processes.

When I have done visits to industry, it has always struck me how reliant we are on gas for heating things—whether it be kilns for making cement or concrete; or, if I can pluck out the example of our whisky industry, for making glass bottles or heating stills. Yet, although electrification is mentioned in the document that is before us, in the annex—which is where the detail is meant to be—there are only two paragraphs on that subject, which take up less than a third of a page.

Is there sufficient focus here on how we can replace gas as a heat source for a broad range of uses, from concrete or steel to whisky? Given that whisky is Scotland’s biggest non-energy export, I will put that question to David Thomson first.