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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

You did not discuss that possibility at any board or management meetings before February this year.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I totally accept that it might not have been planned, that you wanted the plant to grow and that that is why you made the investment, but I just find it slightly hard to believe that February was the first point at which you did even a speculative examination. In a business—especially a business the size of yours—you scenario plan and look at the optimistic, expected and pessimistic scenarios, so I am just wondering at what point in the past few years was the first time that the option of plant consolidation appeared, even if it was a distant pessimistic scenario. You never—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

So, it is the same workforce.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

Mr Thomson has made some good points that we can take up as a committee. I make the simple observation that we have just had the provisional outturn, in which the Scottish Government had a £500 million underspend. I make that observation in relation to where money could be found.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

It was really about the Subsidy Control Act 2022 and whether more conditionality should have been applied, on the basis of that act, to the moneys that came directly from the Scottish Government and to the grants from Scottish Enterprise.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I am known for nothing else but plain speaking. You should not smile so broadly, minister.

The subtext to this is that there is a risk that, in essence, nothing will really change as a result of the bill—the Government will issue another set of guidance, there will be a round of consultations by local authorities and they will produce a report. There have been four suggestions—that is the number that comes to mind—for changes that could be made at stage 2, and I ask you to consider them.

First, in relation to what Lorna Slater and Gordon MacDonald said, could a consistent set of metrics be provided—not necessarily in the bill but in a subsection of the guidance—and could local authorities be required to set their own targets? You made the good point that one set of targets cannot apply to every area. However, if each local authority used a consistent set of metrics but was required to set its own targets, would that improve the bill and move things forward? What is your response to that idea?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

This will not work unless there is capacity and capability to heed the calls. It is about ensuring that people who know how to do that stuff have the confidence to do it. That is not going to happen unless there is support. Is there a possibility of considering broad duties to support capacity building or the Government looking at how it could use its agencies to help local communities to develop the skills, know-how and wherewithal to approach community wealth building? Unless people are starting businesses and creating community organisations and initiatives, community wealth building will just not happen. No amount of consultation or reports in the world will change that.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I guess the key question is: are you open to exploring some of those possibilities through stage 2?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

Fantastic—I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Alexander Dennis

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will tease out the other element. My understanding is that, according to news reports, the Ministry of Defence is currently examining whether Chinese electric vehicles should be allowed on Ministry of Defence sites. Again, I emphasise the point that our bus network is critical national infrastructure. If we view the bus network as critical national infrastructure, do you think that we need to examine where we are sourcing buses from, considering the elements of national security?