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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
[Inaudible.]—Social Security Scotland at that point, is my understanding.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
My reason for asking the question is that your immediate predecessor made the statement—and I think that you have reiterated it—that public sector head count will have to return to pre-pandemic levels. As long as the approach is stated as broadly as that, there will—rightly—be anxiety among people who work in the public sector as to whether their bit might come under scrutiny. Is that still the Government’s commitment? If so, it strikes me that there needs to be clarity from the Government about how and over what time period that might be implemented. Otherwise, it will cause anxiety. Surely the Government needs to clarify what it means by that approach if it still intends to implement it.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
I have a final, technical question. The Government has made a commitment to present this budget and provide an analysis of the spend using the classification of the functions of Government—COFOG—categories. I believe that that presentation is forthcoming. Will it set out the previous year’s budget in a similar way, and will it use the budget as passed or as subject to subsequent reviews? If we are aiming to use that approach, having a basis for comparison is as important as having the categorisation.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
That would be helpful.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
I commend Mr Carlaw for prefiguring the exact topic on which I was going to ask questions. Having installed a smart meter in my house over Christmas, I consider this an area of my expertise, in addition to retail.
On the £4 million figure, I can well understand that you need a robust system to manage the heat, ventilation and so on, but it strikes me that that is a very large sum. What will that actually buy the Parliament? Is that money just for software or for new infrastructure? In replacing a 20-year-old system these days, such things sit on the network rather than requiring their own dedicated infrastructure. How was that figure arrived at, because £4 million for a single item of software, if that is what it is, would be a large amount?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
Obviously, that is important because, fundamentally, the system controls the utilities bill that the Parliament receives, for which £1.46 million is budgeted. First, what will the lifespan of the system be? If it will cost £4 million and it will last five years, that would raise an eyebrow, but if it was going to last another 20 years, it would make sense to spend that in order to manage bills of £1.5 million. Secondly, what is the split in the utilities bill between environmental and all other utilities requirements?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
We have highlighted that the figure for the pay uplift for social care workers is around £100 million and we have acknowledged that the key driver of increased costs in the health service is pay. All of that underlines the importance of a national pay policy, but that was not published with the budget. When might that be expected and what might we expect to see in it? It is not just a question of pay, as questions about the overall size of the public sector workforce have also been alluded to. Will it include that level of information or at least an outline strategy from the Government?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
On the one hand, I accept your point. If a pay policy is merely an academic exercise that bears no relation to reality, I quite agree that it is of no use to anyone. However, if we are going to get through this, dealing with the challenges that I alluded to in my opening remarks and ensuring that we have adequate pay for people who do extremely valuable work, we need to have, if not a pay policy, a workforce plan to ensure that we have the right people doing the right jobs at the right time and at the right pay levels. Does that imply that we need what I think Audit Scotland has called for, which is a more comprehensive workforce strategy across the public sector?
I will set out some interesting facts. Since quarter 1 of 2020, the total devolved public sector head count has increased by 31,000. The split of that number is revealing, as it splits roughly into a third local government, a third NHS—we can understand it needing extra people given the pressures from Covid—and a third civil service. We have seen an increase of around 6,000 in the civil service alone.
I agree that we must protect public service jobs but, in our allocation of resource in the public sector, do we need to consider the balance between front-line and non front-line services, to put it in crude terms? Would you expect that balance to change, perhaps not in the course of this budget, but in future ones? Should a comprehensive workforce plan consider and reflect that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
Yes: that is the question that I am asking.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Daniel Johnson
Deputy First Minister, you have said—and it is clear to everyone—that the budget reflects challenges, pressures, priorities and choices. Such things do not necessarily exist in isolation. For example, when it comes to public services, there are huge demands on services, there are vacancies, and people quite rightly want to protect their pay. The Government is not faced with a linear problem.
With that in mind, I want to ask about the budget decisions for the NHS. We have £1 billion being put into the NHS budget as a whole. If we break that down, we see that about half a billion pounds will go to the territorial boards. I understand that about two thirds of the funding that is allocated to the territorial boards goes on pay so, if my maths is correct, what is proposed reflects the pay offer of 7.5 per cent. However, that offer has not been accepted by all parties.
What will happen if the Government has to settle at a higher rate and total pay awards come in at higher than 7.5 per cent? Will the territorial boards have to find the increase or will there be shifts in the overall NHS budget from the national budget lines into the lines for the territorial boards? What are the issues, risks and flexibilities when it comes to the NHS budget lines that are presented in the budget documents?
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