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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I have a brief supplementary. You mentioned glass making and cement works. It is my understanding that this is a question not just of the price of electricity, but of the fundamental technology for electric heating. The fact is that, in its current state, the technology is not sufficient to provide enough heat for those processes. Has there been sufficient effort to look at the fundamental technology, especially for those high-heat processes for which, right now, we do not have any practical, let alone cost-effective, alternatives? Do we need effort to be put into research and development, and does that need to be part of the plan?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I believe that Richard Woolley would like to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I move to our witnesses from industry. I will ask a couple of more detailed questions about the role that hydrocarbons play in our industrial processes.

When I have done visits to industry, it has always struck me how reliant we are on gas for heating things—whether it be kilns for making cement or concrete; or, if I can pluck out the example of our whisky industry, for making glass bottles or heating stills. Yet, although electrification is mentioned in the document that is before us, in the annex—which is where the detail is meant to be—there are only two paragraphs on that subject, which take up less than a third of a page.

Is there sufficient focus here on how we can replace gas as a heat source for a broad range of uses, from concrete or steel to whisky? Given that whisky is Scotland’s biggest non-energy export, I will put that question to David Thomson first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I thank all the witnesses for their contributions over quite a sustained period—they have been incredibly useful. Given its scope, the draft climate change plan is an expansive document that encompasses a huge number of things, and that has been reflected in the length of our evidence session. The session has been hugely useful and very interesting, and you have all given the committee a lot to go away and think about.

12:21 Meeting continued in private until 12:32.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

That is very helpful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Lorna Slater wants to ask a supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Where is it happening? Is it happening where electricity-based cracking technology is cheaper than or priced competitively with gas-based cracking technology?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Can I just add that I am very much enjoying Professor de Leeuw’s analogies? We have had the Ikea flat-pack instruction manual and now Google translate as the solutions in this area. I am looking forward to hearing what further analogies we get.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Apologies, Mr Woolley. We have a lot of questions to get through and I am sure that you will have other opportunities to speak.

Before I move on to Michelle Thomson, I want to bring in Stacey Dingwall. Coming back to my original question, the vast bulk of private businesses in Scotland are small businesses, and a lot of them struggle to understand what they are supposed to do, what the plan is and what support is there. Does the draft climate change plan move us forward in providing clarity for small businesses, or is there still work to be done on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Richard Woolley, I know that you want to come in on that, but I want to ask you something specific. As well as industrial heat, the other area that is of particular interest is the use of hydrocarbons as a primary product for industrial production, whether that is in pharmaceuticals or the chemicals industry more broadly, with dyes and plastics that are absolutely key to the economy. The replacement of hydrocarbons in those processes is very much reliant on recycling. What are your thoughts and views about how clear this plan is on replacing hydrocarbons in our wider supply chains?