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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

You were very generous in indicating that we might have been at school at the same time—I think that I was a tiny bit ahead of you, but thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

That is very polite.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

We have covered a number of the factors that might make it challenging for schools to provide a broad offer in the senior phase. I know that you have partly addressed this already, but is there any more that you want to say about what the Government might do to mitigate the barriers or challenges that schools are facing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

Good morning to you, cabinet secretary, and your officials. I will go back to questions about colleges.

In your opening statement, you acknowledged that this is not the only financially challenging year for the public sector. We have had a decade of challenge, and that has had an impact on organisations’ resilience. Our committee has been keen to explore how arrangements could be made more flexible for colleges to help them to manage challenges. Colleges have had some financial flexibilities around the allocation and delivery of credits. At last week’s committee meeting, Graeme Dey told the committee that colleges had not made the full use of those flexibilities that was expected. Will you tell the committee a little bit more about what benefits have been seen and any issues that you are aware of colleges having faced in implementing those changes and taking advantage of those flexibilities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

That is helpful to hear. In particular, the word “urgency” will reassure the committee. Cabinet secretary, notwithstanding your previous answers about what assistance can be provided, the SFC highlighted its recent report on college finances to the committee, which said that a number of colleges will struggle to remain operational. Is the work on flexibility that is described in the report the main form of assistance that the Government and the SFC will be able to give, or can other things be done to assist?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

I particularly recognise the point about the connection between schools and colleges. That has certainly been the case in North Ayrshire, with Ayrshire College and Irvine royal academy previously running some excellent programmes, although they have not necessarily been continued. I know that the approach has not been uniform across the country, but there is certainly good work that can be learned from.

Finally, on the issue of staffing, staff costs make up more than 70 per cent of college expenditure. Colleges have been running voluntary redundancy schemes, and the committee has heard that some are planning compulsory redundancies. Audit Scotland has stated that

“further ... staffing reductions ... could severely erode”

colleges’

“ability to deliver a viable curriculum.”

What is the Scottish Government’s response to the SFC’s forecast of the potential removal of 21 per cent of full-time-equivalent staff employed in the college sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

Chemistry.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

It is good to hear you say that. We hear quite a lot about what teachers are looking for—I do not want to diminish teachers’ experiences or their importance in this regard—but we should also consider what children and young people are looking for.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ruth Maguire

Good morning again, cabinet secretary. With regard to the curriculum, I would like to talk about the breadth of choice in secondary education. The committee heard last year about the research from Dr Marina Shapira and Professor Mark Priestley. Dr Shapira told the committee:

“We found some absolutely appalling practices such as channelling young people into higher-performing subjects, discouraging them from taking up subjects in which they were not predicted to perform well and abandoning whole subjects that were deemed to be low performing but that might have been very important for providing a holistic, well-rounded education. For us, the culture of performativity was one of the main issues standing in the way of the successful implementation of curriculum for excellence.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 8 November 2023; c 3-4.]

When I was listening to some of your previous interactions, perhaps particularly with Willie Rennie, it struck me that the first part of that quote could have been plucked from any time in education, because it is not necessarily specific to curriculum for excellence. There is perhaps a bit of a challenge in that. You will be aware of that research, and I am interested in hearing your reflections on it.

The report on the research spoke about a reduction in the number of national qualifications entries at S4 compared with the period prior to the introduction of curriculum for excellence. It also spoke about

“significant curricular fragmentation in many schools”,

with pupils having a large number of teachers.

To go back to what was said about prescription versus an open-ended approach, could it be the case that, without having prescription, there is a temptation to steer pupils into subjects that perform well for the schools?