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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

How would the Scottish Government respond to claims that anti-abortion views were excluded from the process? You have said that they were not.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Good morning, minister. For absolute clarity, is it the Scottish Government’s intention that someone who is engaged in silent prayer—without placards, rosaries or any other visible thing that would enable them to be picked out—would be caught by the section 4 criminal offence?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Obviously, in law, it is important to be crystal clear. People need to know whether they are committing a criminal offence, and I guess that the police need to know. How will we place the intention in someone’s mind as they silently pray?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

You used the phrase “silently judging”. How do I know whether someone is silently judging me?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Do you have an example of how that might work in practice? The police have said that they would not ask somebody what they were thinking about or whether they were praying.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

To go back to the question about section 4, is it the Government’s intention that silent prayer—without any placards or other paraphernalia—will be caught under the legislation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Following on from Ross Greer’s question about display of visual symbols on private property, you said that whether that would be caught by the bill would depend on the context and whether the displaying of those symbols would influence someone’s decision. Is the issue to do with a person’s intention to influence or whether an individual is influenced? It is a terribly complex issue, is it not? It is not straightforward.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

When we make laws, we do so on points of principle, and the same Government will not always be in charge. On a point of principle, are you comfortable with that level of ministerial power to curb protest?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

On ministerial powers and the extension of zones, we have focused quite a lot on big city centre locations rather than on big premises, but the picture is quite diverse across the country. Extending zones could take in quite large bits or further bits of the community. If a zone was not just within healthcare premises, would there be a need to consult again, given that this is about balancing rights?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

That is very important. In the questions that I am asking, I am in no way diminishing at all the impact on women, but it is important that we explore the issue thoroughly.

You spoke in general terms about balancing rights. Can you speak a bit more specifically about the process that the Scottish Government went through when looking at the balance of rights and the human rights implications of the bill?