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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

I am okay, convener. I will come back in later.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Do you agree that, in relation to proportionality when we are talking about rights, post-legislative scrutiny—there is that phrase again—is an important tool to give everyone that comfort?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Okay. In relation to reviewing the legislation, what would be an appropriate mechanism in the bill to ensure that there is continued proportionality, that rights are balanced and that women are protected?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

When we are talking about the balance of rights, it is important for us to try to bottom everything out. There are top-level things that every reasonable person would agree with, but we want to avoid unintended consequences.

My other question is about proportionality, which you have covered in your answers to colleagues. Is there anything else that you want to say about the evidence that you gathered from those accessing services and those who want to partake in protest or vigil?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

I am sorry, but that just triggered something in my mind. The police officer who gave evidence to the committee talked about controversial marches—I assume that he was talking about the marches that take place in the west of Scotland—and he said that if someone were to display an opposing flag in their house, the police would ask them to take it down, because it could be seen as incitement. Could it be the case that, if a person’s property were in an exclusion zone, an overt depiction of their Christianity could be seen in that way? Who would decide that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

How would the Scottish Government respond to claims that anti-abortion views were excluded from the process? You have said that they were not.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Good morning, minister. For absolute clarity, is it the Scottish Government’s intention that someone who is engaged in silent prayer—without placards, rosaries or any other visible thing that would enable them to be picked out—would be caught by the section 4 criminal offence?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Obviously, in law, it is important to be crystal clear. People need to know whether they are committing a criminal offence, and I guess that the police need to know. How will we place the intention in someone’s mind as they silently pray?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

You used the phrase “silently judging”. How do I know whether someone is silently judging me?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Do you have an example of how that might work in practice? The police have said that they would not ask somebody what they were thinking about or whether they were praying.