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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 January 2023
Fulton MacGregor
Similar to the question that I asked Kate Wallace, and to dig a bit more, do you think that part of the provisions around the powers for justice social work should be that, if there is a specific victim or victims—which might not always be the case—the assessment must include a plan for how that person or persons can be kept safe? This is obviously an area that you deal with.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 January 2023
Fulton MacGregor
On a point of order, convener. Although Dr Graham was happy to answer it, I am not sure that my colleague Russell Findlay’s question to her was appropriate. The committee often hears from people who are councillors or who work with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and therefore have specific party allegiances. I have not formed my discourse on this point, but I am not sure that that was an appropriate line of questioning or build-up to the question. I therefore seek your advice or that of the clerk.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
I hope that you are not too tired after last night, minister.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
Thank you for clarifying that. You will know that that is not a particularly popular idea in the areas of justice and of children and families—I am talking about those two areas and not about adult social work. People want the Government to take them along.
If the Government and Cabinet have decided that that transfer is a good idea but the consultation gets a load of responses that are not in favour of it, how much will that weigh on the final decision about the legislation?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
Thanks, convener. I was not expecting to get back in, so I appreciate that.
How will you capture the lived experience that you have spoken about, minister? I think that the Government is doing a fantastic job with the adult social care part of this. I have seen a lot of the work that you are doing, and lived experience is coming through loud and clear in relation to that. We heard a lot about that at the cross-party group meeting that you referred to earlier.
However, do you have any thoughts—we are coming to the end of this session, so you might have to write to us about this—about how to hear about the lived experience of criminal justice service users and their views on whether they like the services just now or whether they would like the workers who support them to be part of a national care service? I know that you spoke about an individual and the 15 folk who are involved in supporting him. Do you have any ideas about how, on a larger scale with justice service users, you might do what you are doing now with adult social care service users?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
That is reassuring.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
I had not planned to speak on this item, and I will not speak just for the sake of it but, given the gravity of what we are being asked to decide today, it is important to put my views on the record. I agree completely with what my colleagues Rona Mackay, Collette Stevenson and Pauline McNeill have outlined. I just want to put that on the record.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
I appreciated your attendance at that cross-party group meeting. A lot of the social work front-line staff who spoke at it were from adult care services. Having worked in that area, I have spoken to a lot of justice and children and families social workers over the past wee while, and I have found that there is trepidation. However, that is nothing new. As we have spoken about in this committee, the issue of justice social work coming into the health service was raised a long time ago—it was not popular at that time and was resisted. I just wanted to put that out there.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
It is good to have that clarified, and it brings me to my final question about the important linkages that you have talked about. I welcome the fact that justice and children’s care services are in the same bit of the bill, because the linkages between them are really important—probably more so than the linkages between justice and adult services.
You have brought me on to the housing issue. That obviously will not be coming over to the national care service, because a massive link between it and justice is required and it is probably one of the biggest areas of concern that we hear about. However, the minister has answered what I was going to ask. I was going to ask him whether he had thought about how housing services and other local authority services would work with the national care service, and he has answered by saying that there would be strong links.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Fulton MacGregor
I am sorry if I took a bit longer than I should have, convener.