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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

That is what we have been told by previous witnesses. There are worries about the term.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

I move on to my second area of questioning, which concerns the three-month reflection period. I will go to the witnesses in the opposite order this time, as Naomi Cunningham came in at the end on the previous question, when the points had already been covered.

We have heard some concerns about the proposed three-month reflection period. I wonder whether you have any views on that. As with the first area, we have heard concerns from those on both sides of the argument but, for different reasons, the concerns are probably more profound in this regard. Naomi, do you have any views on the reflection period?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Those are significant waiting times, which is what we have heard. How does the 4,000 figure compare with previous years and over time? Is the figure fairly static or has it been increasing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Once the person is receiving support from a gender identity clinic, for how long, on average, will they receive support? I know that that will vary, as everything does, but is there an average length of time for which you support people?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

The interim Cass review, which today’s earlier panel and previous panels have referred to, has reported an increase in the number of young people who are seeking appointments at gender identity clinics. I accept that the review was primarily about what is happening south of the border; are you saying that that is possibly also an outcome of the Covid pandemic in Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

In one of your earlier answers, you talked about the proportion of young people who are seeking appointments, and the number was quite high. Will you expand on the numbers that we are talking about? Have you seen an increase in the number of young people who are seeking appointments?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning and thank you for your opening remarks.

Can you provide up-to-date information on current waiting times for initial appointments at a gender identity clinic? How many people are waiting for an initial appointment? Waiting times have been raised with us in previous meetings.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

I get where you are coming from. You have continually highlighted and worked on the issue, and I respect that. However, with regard to amendment 1040, the fiscal fine is a fundamental part of the justice system that allows a diversion from prosecution. There has to be a balance. At some point, a line has to be drawn in relation to what the rest of the community can be told. If somebody accepts a fine of that nature, they are essentially accepting that they do not need to go to court and have their innocence or guilt proven.

I have real concerns about amendment 1040. I am not saying that there is no merit at all in what you are saying, but amendment 1040 would make a massive change to how we do justice in this country.

Similarly, on amendment 1038—I will speak only to amendments 1040 and 1038—

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

I think that the member is trying to overpersonalise it. He does not know whether I have been a victim of an offence and he does not know what my reaction was or would be to finding out information. Trying to bring it down to that level by directing that question to me is probably not appropriate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Some of the amendments in this group reflect the evidence that we heard in committee. I sympathise with Pauline McNeill, but, given what Rona Mackay said in her intervention on Katy Clark, I think that amendment 1035 goes too far. Virtual and remote hearings are useful in some circumstances, such as those involving domestic abuse or other crimes of that nature. On the other hand, there are human rights issues regarding trials always taking place virtually, and we heard concerns about that. The Government amendments 1005 to 1007 strike the right balance. I say that in support of them. I hope that Pauline McNeill will not press amendment 1035 or move amendment 1036.