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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I will start, and then I will bring in Jane MacPherson.

On the richness of the data, as you say, we have had that work under way for some time—on the scallop dredge fleet since 2017—but, in relation to the roll-out, we have set out the timescales for introducing that requirement and gradually bedding it in for the pelagic sector as well. When that is fully operational, we hope to be able to get more of the data.

I will hand over to Jane on the other elements.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

No, that is not the case at all. That is a complete misinterpretation of what we have set out—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I am sorry, but I think that what was said has been completely misinterpreted. This is not about a lack of trust in our fishers. I categorically refute any assertion in that regard. Jane has outlined the rationale. It is the scientists who have asked for that data, because it gives us greater evidence and underpinning. We have set out our rationale, and I say again that this is not about a lack of trust in our fishers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I am meant to be at another meeting but, of course, I am happy to take more questions from the committee.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I am not in a position to provide a detailed response as yet, because—as I am sure that members will appreciate—we only recently received that judgment. We are giving it full consideration, and are working at pace to look at how we can implement a practical and proportionate process to ensure that we can continue to make those authorisation and enforcement decisions in line with the judgment. We will provide more information on that in due course.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

We engage regularly with retailers on a host of matters that are relevant across my portfolio, and I am happy to engage in that conversation with them.

We are in an exciting place in Scotland, as world leaders in relation to the roll-out of REM. We are working with other nations, as they are looking to mandate REM, too. That will put us on the front foot when it comes to REM roll-out and all the potential benefits that may result from it, which I have highlighted in response to previous questions from the committee.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

We recognise how important that point is. I want to be absolutely clear about this. I am not saying that we are making all the data publicly available: that is absolutely not what I was suggesting. I was saying that there are elements of it that we could make available, but only after it has been aggregated and anonymised, recognising the commercially sensitive data and personal data that would be a part of it.

We have produced a data protection impact assessment, which I would be happy to share with the committee. It addresses many of the points that you have raised. We also have a privacy notice, which will cover all of that in detail, and which we would issue once the SSI is approved.

We know how important the use and storage of data and the privacy around it are. The raw data would not itself be used outside the marine directorate. That is all included in the impact assessment and, as I mentioned in response to an earlier question, we have worked with the Scottish Information Commissioner in relation to all of this, and we are ensuring that we are compliant with the general data protection regulation as well as protecting the information.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

No, we are not considering that at the moment. The committee has heard different views on whether it is something that should be Government funded. That consideration is about the balance and how we could potentially justify any Government funding for those systems. The roll-out of REM to the vast majority of the scallop dredge fleet was previously funded through the EMFF programme, as it was. We have set out in the BRIA the expected costs and the rationale behind all that, but we are not considering grant funding at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

In response to those comments, I fundamentally disagree with some of the misrepresentations of the regulations that have been made today.

My final point is that we have very clearly set out the rationale for these regulations, why we need them and how we could use them in the future. I ask the committee not to jeopardise the potential for Scotland to be world leading in our fisheries management and the potential uses of REM in the future. Again, I urge the committee to support the SSI.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Well, we have set out penalties in relation to the regulations. I might ask Jane MacPherson for a bit more information on that point, but I want to point out that all the data that is collected from REM has to be uploaded. We have set that out in the regulations. We have also set out the timescales for which that data must be kept, for how long we have access to it and what we do with the data from that point on, as well as how we could potentially use it in relation to any suspected activity. Do you want to add anything to that, Jane?