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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

For clarity, it is important to specify that we are talking about two different things. The VMS is in the Bute house agreement—again, that is what we consulted on last year—but the regulations that are in front of us concern REM, which is different to the VMS. I would not want those two to get confused. We are still to issue our response to the consultation on the VMS, but we still intend to do that before the end of the parliamentary session.

In relation to the timescales for the roll-out of REM, particularly for the pelagic industry—I know that it raised that concern in its evidence session—we still believe that there is ample time for the industry to comply with the expectations that we have set out. Initially, we had consulted on a 12-month roll-out. We received a variety of opinions on that timescale in the responses to the consultation—some felt that it should be 36 months; some felt that it should be shorter. We feel that, with what we have set out here, we have landed in the right place and are still providing ample opportunity for industry to comply with the regulations.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I have seen the evidence, and I think it is the comments from Ian Gatt, in particular, that you have mentioned. He said that REM has not featured in conversations that he has had. I cannot speak to that, and I do not know who he has had discussions with, but I am telling you about the feedback that we have had directly from retailers and supermarkets, which see the benefit of REM and want it to be rolled out.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

It is the response to the consultation that they gave us. I have not spoken directly to the supermarkets about it, but that is the information that they fed back to us.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I will hand over to officials in a moment on the discussions that have taken place.

The cost that we have set out in the business and regulatory impact assessment, which the committee has before it, is indicative of our best estimates for the installation of that equipment. The vast majority of scallop dredge vessels already have REM in place, and that was largely funded through previous rounds of the European maritime and fisheries fund.

In relation to the consultation—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

We have shared the technical specifications with the committee but, should they change in the future, I am happy to keep the committee updated.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

We have set out specific cases in relation to the regulations, and we have set out the exemption provisions in the regulations. Of course, a catastrophic incident that is completely outwith the master’s control could happen, but things would have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. We have the ability to deal with such a situation should it arise.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

In response to previous questions, Jane MacPherson outlined the consultation that took place and how the technical specifications developed and evolved through that process on the basis of the discussions. It is important to add that we will publish guidance, so that fishers know what is expected of them when it comes to complying with the regulations and the technical specifications. Those conversations led to the technical specifications that are in front of us.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

The 72-hour timeframe relates specifically to data transmission requests. The regulations also set out when data must be uploaded and how long it should be kept for. That is set out in regulation 17. However, we may need to request that data outwith the normal time period.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I do not think that we would have to use data transmission requests all that often, but it is important that we have the ability to do that. In the pelagic sector, freezer vessels can be out at sea for long periods. Therefore, for compliance purposes, it might be necessary to request the REM data on an ad-hoc basis if it is likely that there will be a delay in our receiving the information. We do not anticipate making regular use of that provision, but there may come a time when it becomes necessary for us to issue such requests.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I think that it is because the nature of the fisheries is different, as I explained in response to the question from Rhoda Grant. I have just touched on the example of a freezer vessel that could be out at sea for quite a long period of time. The nature of the voyages that are undertaken by scallop vessels is quite different, which is why they are being handled differently.