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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, we are very much alive to that and, indeed, concerns about certain issues that have recently come up in that respect. In those cases of people losing contracts that they had, I would just point out that they were able to be awarded those contracts in the first place. Through our work on public procurement, there is the ability at the moment to help local suppliers and producers, and I hope that, when we have finalised our national plan, local authorities and health boards will, in the work that they take forward, have a strong focus on these things to ensure that they continue in the direction that we all want with the establishment of strong, local, resilient supply chains.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

At the moment, the team’s focus is largely on producing the national good food nation plan. However, that work has been really helpful and informative because it has shown the amount of work that needs to be done to develop a plan, how long it might take and the resources that local authorities and health boards might need.

From the point when we commence section 10 of the 2022 act, local authorities and health boards will have 12 months to develop and produce their plans. We want to commence the act in a timeframe that we know local authorities and health boards are comfortable with. Discussions are very much on-going between officials and local authorities as to when would be the most appropriate time to commence that section, because we want to ensure that they have the time and resources in place to be able to deliver on it.

Regarding the plans themselves, guidance has been produced that sets out the legislative expectations that local authorities and health boards will have to meet, but dialogue is very much on-going.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Tracy is leading on that work, so she might want to say more.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

That is hugely important because you are absolutely right that culture does not change overnight. We must bring people with us on the journey. We have undertaken extensive engagement and I like to think that it is helping.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Procurement is hugely important, and we touch on that in the good food nation plan. I believe that we have the potential through public procurement to make an impact in the wider food system and food environment that we have just talked about.

Ultimately, the population health framework will have to deliver on the outcomes that we want to see. Even if there are no specific references to procurement in the population health framework, the overall health system will no doubt have to deliver on that as well, because that is what we have set out in the good food nation plan, if that makes sense.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I am grateful to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee for undertaking the evidence session and some of the scrutiny of the good food nation plan, which touches on so many different areas of policy. That is evident in the evidence that the committee has received and the number of contributions that have been made to the committee. We also saw that during the parliamentary scrutiny of the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022. The number of organisations that were involved in that process shows how many areas food policy touches. I am keen that we continue on that good food nation journey now.

On the time that it has taken us to get here, I note that we passed the act in 2022. We are talking about a fundamental shift in how we work across Government, so it has taken time to make sure that we get the proposed plan, as it has been presented, in as strong a shape as possible to enable us to build on that shift.

We have ambitious outcomes that I hope we will achieve, and the proposed plan sets us on a strong footing going forward. Does it address all the issues that we know we have right now? No, it does not; we know that there is more work to do. We identify that in the proposed plan, because we know that we have data gaps and that more work needs to be done in certain areas. Again, it is the first plan, and we will build on it for the future.

We also undertook extensive consultation on the plan. Nourish Scotland undertook workshops across Scotland to find out what people wanted to see in the plan. We wanted to engage with children and young people, which was a theme that came out strongly through the scrutiny of the bill when it was being discussed at stage 2. We had more than 1,000 responses from children and young people.

Of course, all that takes time to analyse and get right. We published the consultation results in September last year. Since then, it has been about drafting the proposed plan.

This period of scrutiny is important, because we want to make sure that we hear people’s views on the proposed plan and whether there are any improvements that we can look to make before we introduce the final plan. I am certainly ambitious for the future. It will take a lot of work across Government to deliver on it, but it is a strong step in the right direction.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Absolutely. There are five people in the good food nation team. Because the plan is so broad and it covers so many other policy areas, it could never be up to the good food nation team alone to deliver on it. As you can see, I have colleagues from across Government here with me today. That is in recognition that it will also be up to other portfolio areas and ministers to deliver on the outcomes that we have set out in the plan. There are official-level working groups looking at that and, as I mentioned, the team itself has five members. We also have the ministerial working group on food to ensure that we engage in those discussions across Government.

We embarked on our work on the good food nation quite a number of years ago, so it is quite well advanced. There was not much collaboration with the UK Government, but, of course, it has been developing its own strategies. It is important that the devolved responsibilities are respected within that, but there are areas that are reserved to the UK Government that impact on the policies and the outcomes that we are looking to deliver here, and, of course, we engage in discussions with our UK counterparts in that regard.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I certainly hope that they will improve the food environment, because, as I have touched on already, many different areas of policy are relevant to the work that we are taking forward here, and I think that the population health framework builds on and complements the work that we are looking to take forward through the good food nation plan.

Of course, there are close links between policy officials in health and the good food nation team to make sure that we are delivering on the ambitions, because, ultimately, it is only by delivering on the ambitions that are set out in the population health framework that we will achieve the good food nation outcomes that are set out in the proposed plan.

Jules Goodlet-Rowley might want to add something, particularly in relation to the population health framework.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I certainly hope that the policies that are being implemented through the wider population health framework and the diet and healthy weight implementation plan that is also coming through will set us on the trajectory to meet that target. Again, that will be clear in a couple of years when we have to report on the policies and how they are delivering the outcomes that we want.

If the policies are not working, we will have to look at what else we need to do and consider to meet that ambitious target. I hope that the policies will send us in the right direction. We have ambitious outcomes and targets to achieve and the initial indicator monitoring framework will help us monitor that so that we can set ourselves on the trajectory to achieve it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mairi Gougeon

It is about how the plan is considered in the development of policy in those areas and how it will help us to reach the outcomes. I do not know whether you think that there is a specific indicator that could be helpful in that regard. In the plan, we recognise that there are data gaps and that we do not have some information that would allow us to build a clear enough picture of how we can improve. We hope to fill some of those gaps, certainly in time for the next iteration of the plan.

I can take that away and consider it, if there is a particular point that you would like to see in relation to that.