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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 February 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

In relation to the work of ARIOB, its terms of reference have been set out and we have been developing an immediate programme of work. That has been the board’s focus. I am happy to write to the committee to outline some of the work that has been taking place. It has focused on developing the immediate test programme that was announced just prior to COP26, and the immediate work in trying to roll out carbon audits and nutrient management plans, as well as a more detailed pilot to test what conditionality will look like for future payment schemes.

That has been the immediate focus of the work of ARIOB. It is also helping us to shape our future policy—we very much want to co-develop that, and the work of ARIOB will be critical as we look to the future. Of course, a number of pieces of legislation will be coming up in the coming years. We will have the agriculture bill, legislation on land reform as well as a natural environment bill. There will be a lot of crossover between those areas, not all of which I immediately lead on, so obviously we want to make sure that there is alignment. Wider questions may well come into some of ARIOB’s work, but we have not yet reached that stage in our future planning, because we have had the immediate focus on developing the national test programme and making sure that it is ready to launch.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

We absolutely want to make sure that that read-across is there. As part of the engagement that took place in preparing for the draft NPF4, there have also been discussions with the Crofting Commission. These are not things that we are considering in isolation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I want to emphasise that we are not setting out the creation of a fund through the regulations. The regulations simply set out the framework for funding and give us additional powers as to what we can look to fund—it expands the range of activities that we can look to fund.

We have had one round of the marine fund Scotland. We will look at the outcomes of that and at how the first year’s funding has gone. As we mentioned in the previous evidence session, a number of pieces of work are currently under way. We are working on our blue economy vision and action plan, and we already have our future fisheries management strategy. As we look to develop the criteria for future funding, we will make sure that that aligns with the visions that we will set out and with the different strategies that we will have in place at that point. We are not at the stage of establishing the criteria for that; the regulations simply allow us to fund a wider range of activities.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, absolutely. In relation to the agri-environment climate scheme, the £36 million budget that is set out is our financial commitment for previous rounds of the scheme. With AECS, people enter into contracts for five years. We ran a limited round over 2021 and we extended contracts in 2020, so the amount that is set out for AECS in the budget is the commitment that we have already made to fund those projects. It is not possible for me to prejudge the 2022 round that we opened for AECS, for example, and say what the spend on that will be next year. I hope that that helps to explain why there can be variations in what that budget looks like.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

You are absolutely right. That is why the business development element is so important. Looking at some of the funds that are listed, I note that the Farm Advisory Service has been critical in offering advice and support to farmers. That service will continue to be important as we develop future policy and embark on the transformation programme. We must have that source to provide advice and support to farmers and crofters as we go through this big period of change. There is also the knowledge transfer and innovation fund, which has been really important in helping to encourage innovation in agriculture. Again, that will be really important, given the climate emergency and biodiversity crisis that we face.

So much good work is already going on, but the funds enable us to kick-start specific projects, to tease them out and to look at things that might work or could potentially go on to be done at scale. Enabling such innovation and ensuring that we have knowledge transfer will be absolutely critical. We have certainly heard that from stakeholders as well.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Impact of European Union Exit

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

You are absolutely right. On keeping pace, the Government has made a commitment to align with the EU and, potentially, go further where it is in our best interests to do so. Ultimately, we want to become an independent country and join the EU. We want to make that as streamlined a process as possible. In some policy areas, it will not always be possible to replicate like for like everything that happens in the EU. Some of it will not be relevant and some of it might not be legally possible. However, it is our stated policy intention to align with the EU as much as possible.

The specific policy that you talked about has been on-going for a number of years and we have already applied it in Scotland.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Impact of European Union Exit

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

We do not have plans for legislation on fisheries management.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Impact of European Union Exit

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As you said, we are committed to working with Parliament to consider that scrutiny. I know that this committee and the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee have made representations on the approach that is taken in that regard. The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, Angus Robertson, will respond to those representations in due course.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

That comes back to some of the points that I raised previously on the replacement for the EU funding for marine. We are also facing a funding shortfall for agriculture. Again, we had been promised that those funds would be replaced in full, but that has yet to transpire. We have an allocation of £14 million for our marine industries when we should be able to expect to receive something in the region of £62 million, and there is also a £95 million shortfall in agriculture spend.

Obviously, if those funds were available to us, that targeted spend would help those industries. It would also help us towards a transition to net zero and would enhance the work that we are undertaking on climate change and enhancing biodiversity. It would help us to achieve all those aims. We continue to make representations on that to the UK Government, to ensure that it upholds its obligations and the promises that it made to replace those funds in full.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The interaction that I have had with my counterparts in the UK Government has related to the shortfalls that we have faced in the funding for agriculture and marine. I would have to check back to see whether that specific point on inflation has been raised, but I will be happy to come back and confirm that either way, unless officials have that information.