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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 February 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Again, it was our further reflection on what we had received through the consultation and on the different correspondence that we had received about the exemptions. As I have said, when the initial SSI was laid, it was intended that those exemptions would roll over to 2022 and 2023, and we reflected further on that. Of course, the Bute house agreement is part of that, but representations were made by other organisations about the ultimate impact on spawning cod of not removing the exemptions. That is why we decided to look again and to take that further advice. The position that we have ended up in on the back of that is the right one, given the revision of the closed area while, ultimately, achieving the policy objective, which is to protect spawning cod.

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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The closure is for 2022 and 2023. I do not want to prejudge the meeting that will take place. We will, of course, consider any views that come out of that meeting.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

It is. In my role, it is critical to recognise that there are a lot of things to balance. People’s livelihoods are on the line and we need to balance the socioeconomic impact with the environmental impact. We want to strike the right balance. I would not be doing my job if I did not listen to representations or take them on board throughout the decision-making process.

Ultimately, that is why we have ended up where we are on the SSI. The process by which we have reached this point has not been ideal. Only through further reflection and trying to work with stakeholders, whether fisheries interests or environmental interests, have we reached the current position, which I believe has struck the right balance between the socioeconomic impact and the policy objective of protecting spawning cod.

You will have seen from the evidence that you have taken that there is nothing by any means easy about reaching such decisions. However, I believe that we have taken the right one with the SSI that is in front of you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I go back to what Allan Gibb said about lessons that we are looking to learn and making sure that we hear all the different interests and perspectives so that we can understand people’s positions and find a way forward. That is a positive action that we can take away from the current process.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I reiterate Dr Needle’s point that, as we move forward, it is really important that we take that collaborative approach with the industry and with academia.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I think that Allan Gibb wants to come in on that point.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

We have figures in there from 2021, not just from 2018.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I know that there is a discrepancy between what we outlined in the BRIA and the number of vessels that some stakeholders say have actually been impacted. I am keen to look at that, to see why there is such a divergence of views. It might be helpful if I hand over to Allan Gibb to talk about how that information was collected and how it fed into the BRIA process.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I recognise the impact of the policy change. I have already talked about the process and how we want to learn lessons from it to ensure that we are not in the same position in future. I have also apologised for the process that has led us to where we are in this instance.

Comparing the impact of the order to the impact of Covid is not a fair comparison. We have not offered compensatory measures or payments for similar closures elsewhere, whether it be the North Sea cod avoidance plan or the Inner Sound MPA. The closure is also short term. I recognise the impact that it might have, but vessels can go elsewhere and I know that some do so regularly. Reducing the overall area by 28 per cent means that we have enabled more activity to take place than would normally be the case under the closure.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Again, I understand the impact that the closure might have on some fishers but, as I say, it is a short-term measure. I know that many will move. I realise that that is not necessarily the case for everyone who will be impacted by the closure, but, by achieving the policy directive, we will open up more opportunities after the period of closure has ended.