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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I have said, I am more than happy to hear and consider any recommendations that the committee has in that regard. The relevant authorities are set out as they are in the bill because local authorities and health boards are the public bodies whose remit has a considerable impact in relation to policies on food. I know that some suggestions have been made about integration joint boards but, given the impact that local authorities and health boards have on food policy, we feel that the way in which we have set out the provision is the most reasonable place to start.

On the theme of integration joint boards, the Food Train talked about the impact of food on social care, which is critical. Throughout the bill process, we should bear in mind the proposals for the reform of social care, which will be considered in the current session of Parliament. I point out that the bill states that we can amend the list of authorities through secondary legislation, and I am happy to consider any recommendations from the committee in that regard.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Yes. We envisage their being primarily for subject areas, and I have already written to the committee, outlining examples such as food in schools and community growing. Tracy McCollin might want to elaborate on some of those examples, but I am also happy to provide further examples of how it will work in practice, if the committee would find that helpful.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I say, we will not consult on the secondary legislation in and of itself. The regulations will set out the specified functions in preparation for the plans, and that is what will go out to consultation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

James Hamilton gave the reasons why we have decided to use the negative procedure, and I intimated in my previous response that it is because there will be detailed and lengthy lists of specified functions. They will form part of the consultation and we would be happy to take views on them. I do not know whether that answers your question.

In relation to participation and our willingness to listen, I am explaining the rationale behind how we have arrived at our position, but I really want to read the committee’s conclusions and recommendations on this and, if improvements need to be made, to consider those fully. We will, of course, consider any recommendations that are made.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I have said, that consultation will form part of the consultation that we will undertake on the national food plans. We will not consult on the regulations in and of themselves, but they will form part of the consultation. Of course, we will listen to any responses that come back from that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

It has a legal definition, so I will pass that point over to James Hamilton for further explanation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I will follow up on how we could demonstrate that we had complied with the requirement and had regard to the thing in question. It could also be something that is set out in the good food nation plans. For example, if it related to a function such as giving grants, the grant paperwork could express how we had had regard to it. If it was a legislative purpose, that could be specified in the policy note. There are different ways in which we could demonstrate that we had had regard to the good food nation plan.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I cannot give you a definitive timescale, and the bill is not in my portfolio. We have committed to introducing the bill in this parliamentary session, and I believe that the consultation on it is due to take place this year.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Absolutely. I reiterate what I said in response to Beatrice Wishart’s question. Section 3 says that

“the Scottish Ministers must have regard to the international instruments”,

as listed. I believe that what we have set out is adequate, but I acknowledge the evidence that the committee has taken. Again, if the committee has recommendations in that regard, I am happy to consider them.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I feel that it is, in what we have set out in the bill so far. We have talked about some of the regulations that allow us to be agile in that way. Perhaps that goes back to our discussion about targets and the reticence to put those in the bill because they evolve and change over time, which means that legislation can go out of date very quickly and we would have less flexibility. However, I believe that what we have set out in the bill gives us the flexibility to deal with any emerging issues and provides for the appropriate frequency to review and report on the bill. As far as is possible, we can ensure that the bill is up to date and meets the challenges that it needs to address.