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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

You are absolutely right. I took away from the evidence the point about the importance of flexibility, as everyone will have a different starting point. For example, the local authorities from which the committee heard—Argyll and Bute Council and East Ayrshire Council—have undertaken the journey and are a lot further along the road. They talked about the importance of flexibility, because it has been slightly easier in some respects for some local authorities than it will be for others to meet our good food nation ambitions. It is important that there is flexibility in relation to the plans in order to enable local authorities to establish outcomes that are meaningful for them.

It might have been Jayne Jones from Argyll and Bute Council—forgive me if I have got that wrong—who said that, if we were to set a target of 60 per cent for Scottish food in local authority procurement, although that might be okay for some councils, it would be an enormous challenge for others. The provisions that we have set out in the bill provide flexibility in that respect and allow local circumstances to be recognised.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

If that is the DPLR Committee’s recommendation, I will, of course, consider it.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

They could all be. I met the Scottish Food Coalition recently, as well as having read its evidence to the committee. All the targets and measures that the SFC has talked about are critical and are areas that we would look to address. However, as I have said, we want to set out outcomes in the national plan, which is where we would look to address a lot of those issues. As was highlighted in the evidence, there are a lot of targets out there. We need to collate those targets, but what I am particularly interested in, and what is critical, is how we deliver on the outcomes.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

That is the thing. It is hard because, as we have discussed, everybody is at a different stage. Without knowing the detail of what is going to be in local authority plans, it is not possible to quantify things at this stage, but the on-going discussion that we have been having with local authorities and COSLA will be important as we see what, if any, extra resource will be required. Some local authorities already have that built in through the food-related work that they have been doing, and you have cited an example. There is also the funding that has already been allocated to local authorities to support food-related matters, such as free school meals. We would have an on-going dialogue to identify any challenges regarding the implementation of the plans.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

We are taking forward the commitment and that detailed piece of work is at an early stage. I will keep the committee updated as the work progresses.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Because of all the groundwork that has been done for the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill. It was unfortunate that, in the previous session of Parliament, the bill’s introduction was delayed. It was a case of trying to introduce it at the earliest possible opportunity.

It is also about giving effect to the right to food. Although the right to food will be incorporated into Scots law through the human rights bill, it is vital that we have introduced the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill, so that there is a framework that underpins the work that we are doing to deliver our good food nation ambitions. We should not delay that process.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The proposed obligation relates to public authorities, but that is not to say that there would not be an impact on private industry as a result of that.

I would be happy to get back to the committee on how such bodies might be considered and what the impact of that might be, if that would be helpful.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The detail of the outcomes that we will be setting out and hoping to achieve will be in the good food nation plans. As far as the oversight and monitoring of that is concerned, the bill itself talks about how progress will be monitored, and there will be periodic reports on and reviews of the plans, which are set out in the legislation, too. We have to report on our plans every two years, with a review after five, and there will be opportunities at those different stages for scrutiny to take place. Again, though, I will be keen to see what is in the stage 1 report and whether the committee feels that that has not necessarily been set out in the bill, that the provision is not strong enough or that there is a greater role for parliamentary scrutiny.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The costs in that regard for health boards were expected to be negligible because they already have in place a number of policies in relation to food. Officials might want to elaborate on that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Mairi Gougeon

It was interesting to go through the evidence and hear comments on that. Obviously, a number of different bodies have different and specific roles and responsibilities. The committee has heard from some of those bodies in taking evidence. The work that we committed to undertake, and are undertaking, to properly scrutinise that will help us to fully assess what that landscape looks like and how we can develop work in relation to that.