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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I am not aware that those discussions have taken place yet. I do not know whether Allan Gibb or Paul McCarthy can provide any more information on that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The future catching policy and remote electronic monitoring take us a huge step forward in relation to meeting the objectives. As I said earlier, there are eight objectives in the legislation. I will not run through them all now but I referred to the technical and spatial measures in a previous response to Mercedes Villalba. Those relate to how we will deliver on the bycatch, ecosystem and climate change objectives, together with REM and the management measures that we are looking to develop, which will also deliver on the sustainability, precautionary and scientific objectives. We can meet quite a lot of the objectives through what we plan to deliver via the two policies. As I set out the other week, there is a step change in respect of our leading the world with some of the measures that we are looking to introduce.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Do you mean the objectives within the—

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I cannot set out a definitive timescale on that yet, for the reasons that I have outlined. Dealing with the stocks that you mentioned and the non-quota stocks is very complex. We have a long list of FMPs that we seek to develop and deliver for the stocks that we have mentioned in the JFS. That is not to say that what you suggest will never happen, but I cannot give you a definitive timescale for that work yet.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I would reflect on some of the comments that I made earlier about what the JFS is there to do, about the overall framework and about the high-level ambitions that have been set out in relation to that. I do not think that it would be appropriate to have those explicit provisions within the JFS, as I think it should ultimately be up to the fisheries administrations and authorities to determine how quota and fishing opportunities should be allocated. Obviously, we must adhere to what is in the Fisheries Act 2020 in relation to that, as set out in section 25.

It is important that devolution is respected in that regard and that we have the flexibilities to consider what has been set out, as individual administrations and authorities. Given some of the issues that could potentially arise, if such considerations were included in the JFS, they could almost be subject to a UK veto, with other Administrations having an impact on how we allocate or distribute our own fishing opportunities. It is important that we have that high-level vision but also that we have the powers and are able to deliver what works best for our industry here, according to how we think the quota and opportunities should be allocated and distributed.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Some of what you have mentioned will be harnessed in the work that is done around the commitment in the programme for government for the blue economy action plan and the blue economy vision, which I mentioned in my opening statement. That approach recognises the breadth of sectors and interests that we have in our marine environment and ensures that all the strategies and policies across all those areas are aligned and take cognisance of each other, as much as possible. Obviously, we have been undertaking work on aquaculture, and I am sure that you will be aware of that and of the review that we have undertaken in that regard.

A number of strands of work are going on in this area. It is vital that we capture all of that and set out our clear vision for the future and say how all those interests will operate together for a sustainable blue economy.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I certainly hope so. Part of the challenge that we face is the balancing of all those different interests. Like you say, inshore fisheries, for example, are hugely important to local economies and communities. Not long ago, I had a meeting with Dr Allan and some of his constituents at which we discussed the impact of those industries on employment and population levels in some of our most remote and rural locations. As I am the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, ensuring that we get a balance that enables people to live in our most remote and island communities is vital to me. I am not saying that I have all the solutions to the issue today, but I understand the complexities that we must balance, and we certainly take them into consideration when we are thinking about those issues.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

The development of FMPs will be subject to consultation. We will look to develop them through discussion with our stakeholders. We use and engage with a number of fora, whether the FMACs, IFMACs or our regional inshore fisheries groups, so I imagine that they will be part of the process. We want to work with our stakeholders in the production of the FMPs. It is an integral part of the process.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

It is not as if we develop such measures in isolation and without any engagement. We will look to keep our various stakeholders informed throughout the process. That is partly so that they can work with us. There is no point in developing policies or plans that, fundamentally, will not work or cannot be implemented by the people who are responsible for implementing them. Therefore, that engagement is critical.

We are ambitious and we want to deliver on the objectives that have been set out in the 2020 act and the policies that we have set out that will, ultimately, deliver those objectives. However, we also want to get it right. We want to take the right amount of time to have engagement and deliver the right policy.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I do not see a particular need at the moment to introduce a specific bill. Objectives were set out in the 2020 act and we are here today to discuss the framework in the JFS and the policy ambitions in that. I also set out last week how we intend to deliver on our fisheries management strategy, which was published towards the end of 2020. I do not know what other specific legal mechanisms we would need to bring forward to enable us to deliver on the policy objectives that we have set out, because I believe that we have the means to do that at the moment.