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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, I can. Again, that touches on some of the difficult and complex decisions that we will have to take in the future, as we will have to balance those interests, too.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

That is part of the extra advice and information that we sought from Dr Needle in relation to looking again at the closure to find out whether we are closing off the correct areas and prohibiting the right fishing measures in that closure.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

First, it is important to bear in mind that all resources are finite and Governments must make decisions on how best to allocate them. We also need to bear in mind the expansive area that Marine Scotland must look after, monitor and evaluate. It collects data, and provides analysis and advice, on a wide range of ecosystems and fisheries across Scotland’s seas, which cover 470,000 km².

We would like to undertake research on a lot of different areas, but we have to ensure that we get the balance of resources right. A host of work could be undertaken in the Clyde. However, if we decided to undertake it, we would have to consider what to deprioritise and how to resource that work.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Again, that is something that we must consider as part of the decision-making process. If we were to prioritise that area, we would need to consider what other area to deprioritise.

I return to the point that Allan Gibb made. We know that there are gaps in some of the scientific evidence. However, in terms of our policy objective, the evidence is strong on the point about disturbance.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I am not sure that I understand the question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I was looking at the areas where cod are most likely to spawn. I am reliant on the evidence that I receive from people such as Dr Needle in that regard. That is why we reached our conclusion and, ultimately, ended up reducing the overall area by 28 per cent.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Yes. We have already committed to collaborating with stakeholders and coming together after the closure this year to assess its effectiveness and to see how we can move forward.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I said, we based the decision on the best scientific evidence that we had, which suggested that any disturbance within 10m of the sea bed would have an impact on spawning cod. It would be appropriate to bring in Dr Coby Needle to explain that point from the scientific perspective.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

Again, it was our further reflection on what we had received through the consultation and on the different correspondence that we had received about the exemptions. As I have said, when the initial SSI was laid, it was intended that those exemptions would roll over to 2022 and 2023, and we reflected further on that. Of course, the Bute house agreement is part of that, but representations were made by other organisations about the ultimate impact on spawning cod of not removing the exemptions. That is why we decided to look again and to take that further advice. The position that we have ended up in on the back of that is the right one, given the revision of the closed area while, ultimately, achieving the policy objective, which is to protect spawning cod.

09:15  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I have covered a lot of these comments in my previous remarks. I understand where Mercedes Villalba is coming from in relation to some of her points. However, I re-emphasise the point that agreeing to the motion to annul the instrument that is before the committee today would remove all protections.

I recognise members’ points about the process. As I have said previously, we absolutely want to ensure that we learn lessons from this.