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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I do not want to get into too much of a battle about wording at this stage of the meeting, convener. Different questions were posed, some of which related to specific proposals, and some witnesses welcomed the proposals but felt that they could be made stronger in some areas. From reading through all that evidence, I think that the responses were more nuanced, but we want to listen to those opinions and see where we can strengthen the proposals in the bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Officials are working with the tenant farming commissioner and wider stakeholders—including NatureScot and organisations such as the British Association for Shooting and Conservation and the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust—to look at how we can support training and advice for tenants and landlords. NatureScot already assesses damage that has been done by geese, for example, so we have experience that we can use to address the issue, but that work is on-going.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

A number of factors are already taken into consideration. Ultimately, we are trying to make the process fairer for tenants so that the value is recognised for them.

I will hand over to Fiona Leslie, as she will probably be able to add more information.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

There is a distinction between what is set out in relation to improvements and what is set out in relation to diversification. At the moment, schedule 5 relates to activities that support agricultural use of the land—for example, in relation to trees for shelter belts—whereas diversification is about non-agricultural activity. I believe that the former tenant farming commissioner provided information to TFAF about the range of considerations that must be taken into account with regard to planting trees. The work that has already been done will inform any future codes or guidance in that area. I do not know whether that answers your question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

That is an important point. As you said, the committee heard evidence, which I have considered, that some landowners are already undertaking such work. There are costs associated with that, as we have set out clearly in the documents that are associated with the bill. The issue is how we balance the requirements, which comes back to why we have brought forward the proposals in the way that we have. As you said, a lot of people are engaging in that work anyway, so I would not expect the costs for them to be considerably higher than they already are. That is within the ranges that we have set out in the accompanying documents.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

It might make sense for a land management plan to take into consideration work that is already being undertaken on an area’s overall priorities. That could be considered as part of the wider associated guidance.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

On the first point about dealing with anonymity, the relevant section of the bill sets out provisions to protect the confidentiality of information that has been obtained on behalf of the land and communities commissioner in the course of their investigations. However, I recognise some of the dynamics that are at play here and, from listening to the evidence that the committee received, why the ability to be anonymous is of concern. I am happy to consider any particular views that the committee has on that.

I am sorry—I missed the second part of your question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I come back to the rationale for why the provisions have been proposed in the way that they have been in the bill. They are designed so that the land and communities commissioner can investigate a breach only if there is a report from one of the defined bodies in the bill. Ultimately, that is to try to balance the commissioner’s enforcing role with the Scottish Land Commission’s advisory role. However, from the evidence, I feel that people have generally felt—although some have disagreed—that the commissioner should have the power to have an investigatory role; I am sure that the convener will correct me if I am wrong. I am open to considering recommendations about that if there is a particularly strong view on that.

Overall monitoring of compliance will be critical. As we have discussed in relation to the other measures that the bill introduces, we need to ensure that what we are introducing is having the desired effect.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I am sorry—do you mean in relation to overall investment in the land or how to take those proposals forward?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Again, we have set the threshold at the level that we have in order to try to balance all those factors.