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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

As the fisheries minister, I am acutely aware of the issues that the industry faces and I have touched on them in my previous responses. I will continue to highlight the support that we have available, which will continue. The marine fund Scotland is an example of that support. I also touched on the work that we are taking forward on the blue economy and the outcomes that we will see from that. The food that our fishers provide is vital, and we want to continue to make the most of it.

It is also important to remind the committee of the economic link that has been introduced, because we want to see the value from what is caught in Scotland being landed into Scotland. We touched on offshore renewables and the HPMA network, but I would not want the committee to take from that that fisheries are not equally important in the discussions. They are, and it is my role to ensure that they remain as such.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

I am happy to come back to you with more detail on that. There are other figures in that table. The figure of £33 million relates to the convergence, and a figure of about £30 million relates to Marine Scotland and the agriculture and rural economy directorate. There was a mixture of recruitment control across the portfolio.

I do not know whether Iain Wallace can provide more information on the figure for Marine Scotland.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

Yes.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

I make the point at the outset that, as you say, the spend cuts across other portfolio areas. The islands spend in my portfolio is not exclusive; it is not all the islands funding that exists. There is spend in other portfolios as well.

I appeared before the committee just before the summer last year to give evidence on the national islands plan, which sets out our strategic objectives, and we are taking forward work against each of them. You mentioned the particular challenge of employment. With Highlands and Islands Enterprise and Skills Development Scotland, we have provided £250,000 of funding for a project that is looking at employment and retention on islands. We have also funded a post at the University of the Highlands and Islands to look at how it can strengthen its connections with key island partners.

There is that specific funding but, again, I am more than happy to come back to the committee with further information, particularly looking across portfolios to some of the other spend.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

The feedback that we have had from that has been really positive. We obviously want to take any learning from that example and share it as best we can. Officials are looking at that work and at how we can share good practice with other authorities that, as you say, cover a mixture of the mainland and islands—Argyll and Bute Council and Highland Council, in particular. We are actively looking at that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

I say again that it is really difficult. The budget is an annual process, so we do not have that certainty until the budget is passed and we receive the annual allocation. What we have seen through the resource spending review and the capital spending review is the overall funding envelopes that we might hope to receive over the period, which give an indication as to what allocations we might look to have.

We have been through a couple of iterations of the islands programme. I hope that, with the changes that we are proposing for this year, we will get the balance right in how the scheme runs and we will see that continue, which will help to resolve some of the issues.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

It probably is not too much of a simple answer. All members of the committee will be aware of the impact—which we all see, across our constituencies—that the cost crisis is having on our communities, particularly the rural and island communities that members represent. The impact that that has had on our budget is huge. As I said in my opening statement, how we then allocate between our different priorities is an increasingly difficult challenge as our budgets become more stretched.

Let us look at the overall figures and some of what we are dealing with here. We had an increase in overall funding of £1.7 billion from the Barnett funding, but, when we look at what that means in real terms, we are actually seeing a reduction of 4.8 per cent since 2021. That means that there is huge pressure not just on my budget and what I am able to do across the rural and islands portfolio, but right across the Scottish Government.

Looking particularly at my portfolio and what that equates to, since we left the European Union, we have seen the EU replacement funding fall by 1.7 per cent over this past year since the start of 2022-23. However, that has decreased by 12.7 per cent since 2021, so obviously we do not have the spending power that we would previously have had. All of that has an impact.

As I said in my opening statement, those are the priorities that I set out to the committee in October and what we continue to provide in relation to that cash injection of £650 million, which impacts our agriculture and marine. Maintaining those payments is absolutely vital in trying to provide some of that stability too.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

Thank you very much, convener. When I appeared before the committee in October, I set out the priorities for the rural affairs and islands portfolio, and I am pleased to come back today to set out how the 2023-24 Scottish budget, presented by the Deputy First Minister to Parliament in December, supports those priorities.

The budget takes place in the most turbulent economic and financial context that most people can remember. It therefore demands a response from Government that supports the most vulnerable and, ultimately, helps to build a sustainable economy. That is why we have chosen a progressive path for this budget, investing in our people, our economy and our public services. The resource and capital spending reviews set out, as best we could at the time, the spending priorities of the Government and the high-level financial parameters for portfolio envelopes. However, a lot has changed in the months since those reviews were published. We have had two fiscal events from the United Kingdom Government, which have both had a direct impact on Scotland and its economy. The autumn statement in November fell short of the interventions that Scotland needs to guide us through this cost crisis. That means that we continue to feel the impacts of the most severe economic upheaval in our generation, and we will continue to do so for some time.

Despite that, our spending reviews, our programme for government, the emergency budget review and the 2023-24 budget all show that this Government is determined to act. We are focused on eradicating child poverty, creating sustainable public services and transforming our economy to net zero. We do not view those as three competing objectives; we view them as priorities that are linked. Although it is true that the Government has not been able to do everything that we would have wanted to do at the pace that we would have wanted, we have taken action to support those priorities.

In relation to the rural affairs and islands budget, the spend of the portfolio supports some of our most fragile communities, businesses and sectors at a time when they are feeling the effects of multiple shocks: Brexit, recovering from the pandemic and, of course, dealing with the significant challenges of the cost crisis.

As I did in 2022-23, I will prioritise the direct cash injection that my portfolio makes in rural and island areas and across the agriculture and marine sectors. Some £650 million will continue to be invested across those sectors, providing much-needed economic stability. Our commitment to supporting the ambitions for our islands has been strong, with £8.5 million allocated from the portfolio for the islands programme and the carbon neutral islands project.

We are living in a global climate and nature emergency, with climate change and a loss of biodiversity among the greatest threats faced by people and our planet, so we are dedicated to our critical work with the agriculture sector to co-develop and deliver on our vision for agriculture, which includes an investment of more than £44 million over 2023-24 to help Scotland become a global leader in sustainable and regenerative agriculture. We are also delivering a new round of agri-environment support, with more than £36 million of planned investment over the coming year.

The blue economy vision for Scotland sets out the long-term outcomes that we want to see for our marine environment, our people and our economy. That work, together with the £14 million increase in Marine Scotland’s budget, is representative of this Government’s commitment to net zero and to enhancing biodiversity through the expansion of offshore renewables, climate-related research and environmental protection.

We are, of course, living in extremely difficult times, and, as we look ahead, there are still many challenges to overcome. That makes the budget and allocating funding between priorities extremely and increasingly difficult, but I am confident that the balance that the Government has achieved is the right one, and I will continue working across the Scottish Government and with our partners across Scotland to deliver for our rural, coastal and island communities.

I am happy to take any questions that the committee might have.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

We have seen some of the issues that you have raised particularly in our agriculture sector, where energy, fuel and feed costs have absolutely spiralled. Against the backdrop of the turbulence that we have experienced, we have tried to provide stability. I talked about the direct cash injection of £650 million that we have been making in agriculture and marine. In the current financial year, as the committee will be aware, we made direct payments at the earliest ever stage. We commenced those payments in September. I think, from the latest figures that I have had, that we have paid more than £411 million to more than 17,000 businesses, so more than 98 per cent of businesses have received that vital cash injection.

What I have set out in the budget shows that we are trying to maintain that stability. We are giving farmers the message about what they will receive, being clear about those figures and trying to maintain them and keep them as consistent as possible. Hopefully, that will help to provide some of that certainty and stability.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Mairi Gougeon

I would be happy to provide that to the committee.