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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

Excuse me, Ms Gougeon, we are getting interference on the line. I am struggling to hear the answer—can we pause?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

Welcome back, Ms Gougeon. I asked about biodiversity, given the committee’s interest in that strand of work. Can the cabinet secretaries identify the key funding streams for terrestrial and marine environments in their portfolios that are designed to deliver on the biodiversity strategy?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

I invite Ms McAllan to add to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you. I might come back to SEPA later.

I want to ask about one particular aspect of the budget. We know that there have been large reductions in woodland grants and agri-environment funding in the rural affairs portfolio—if I can use that shorthand. How confident are you, Ms Gougeon, that those sectors will be able to deliver the really important work on biodiversity and climate needs with smaller funding pots?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

You have been quite honest about the issues that you are not happy with, and I should say that we have also heard from a number of unhappy stakeholders since last week’s session with the Deputy First Minister. One aspect that we looked at during that session was woodland grant funding. The forestry grant scheme faces a cut of 41 per cent in the next financial year, which is a huge reduction of about £32 million. We are aware of the annual underspend in that budget, but the 41 per cent cut is double its size.

We have heard, for example, from Woodland Trust Scotland and Stop Climate Chaos Scotland, which are both very concerned. We have been asking a lot about confidence with regard to meeting emissions reduction targets. Do you agree with Woodland Trust Scotland that the proposed cut will serve only to make the gap between the targets and delivery even wider?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

I will follow up on Douglas Lumsden’s line of questions. Ms McAllan, you said that we need to think about private finance helping us to meet these really important policy aims. Has enough thought been given to opportunities to make polluters pay and to incentivise emissions reduction in the design of revenue-raising measures? Are there any examples that you could give us, briefly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

On that subject, you will be aware that the committee met last week with your colleague, the Cabinet Secretary for the Wellbeing Economy, and the Deputy First Minister. We looked at the money that has been raised so far from the ScotWind auction. I will not narrate all that we discussed, because I am sure that you have been briefed on that, but there were concerns that money that we were promised would be used for energy transition and green policies is now going into the general budget. We also know about the £56 million from the emergency budget review.

Given the challenges that you face, and the realistic picture that you have given us today, do you share those frustrations and concerns that the income is not being used for policies and projects that will directly benefit our climate and nature aspirations and targets? Have you been given any reassurance that that money will return to the intended budget lines?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

For the benefit of the committee, can you tell us what your understanding is of the current level of reserves and what projects are due to be funded from those reserves?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

SPT has written to the committee, and I have a note here. The reserves are fully allocated for projects. Maybe your official can say when the discussions started and what assessment was done of the potential impacts. It sounds as though the assumption may have been made that SPT could just draw down reserves. I do not know whether I am wrong in that assumption, but that is how it looks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Monica Lennon

Convener, I will hand back to you, but it is worth noting that sympathy will not get us to net zero.

Earlier, I asked about confidence levels in meeting the interim targets and the 2045 targets. I will read out just one sentence from Valerie Davidson, the chief executive of SPT, who said:

“Cuts to this funding will have a hugely negative impact on our efforts to ensure transport in our area is greener, more connected, more reliable, and more accessible”.

That does not give me confidence, convener.