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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Okay. So you have had no concerns about micromanagement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Can the public be confident that there is a zero-tolerance policy against antisocial behaviour or criminality on Scotland’s railways?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I have heard concerns about ScotRail having an ageing workforce, with the average age of staff being around 48. What is being done to address that and how many apprenticeships will be filled this year and next?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That was all very helpful—thank you. I turn to Robert Samson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes, thank you, convener.

Both panels have talked us through the new institutional arrangements, how they are working and how they might be improved. I know that we are only a year in, but I am keen to pick up an issue that was recently raised in the Parliament. According to board papers that have become public, the former chair of ScotRail, Chris Gibb, who was also the chief executive officer of Scottish Rail Holdings—I hope that I have got that correct; he is no longer in those roles—raised concerns about micromanagement by the Scottish ministers, advisers and officials. David Lowrie, do you recognise that characterisation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Let me just get this right. Back in 2022, you were the chief financial officer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I am returning to the issue of antisocial behaviour. Witnesses on the first panel told us about some challenges and concerns. Mick Hogg of the RMT suggested that that behaviour is getting out of control. He does not want to be the person who says, “I told you so,” but he said that something really serious might happen and that there could be loss of life in the future.

Joanne Maguire, you have responsibility for safety so perhaps you can kick off. What are the challenges of antisocial behaviour? What is causing it, and what impact does it have on passengers and staff?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

You have made a really important point. In our earlier session, we discussed the forthcoming summit on violence in schools. A joined-up approach would be smart. That has been helpful.

What more could we in Parliament do, and what more can be done across Government? I am looking back at what Jenny Gilruth said last year about discussions between ministers—in particular, transport and justice ministers—on whether more legislation is required. Clearly, there is a frustration that offenders, including persistent offenders, cause havoc then get back on the train hours or days later. Could legislation play a useful part in better managing the access to Scotland’s railways of persistent offenders who cause violent and serious disorder?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That is great. If you cannot give us the numbers today, could you write to us to keep us informed?