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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you—that was helpful.

I have a question on enforcement. Another issue that has been raised is whether SEPA currently has enough resources and expertise to deal with complaints and cases that come to it at the moment, because a lot of its work is intelligence led. If the bill was passed, would it raise any issues about enforcement for SEPA or any other body?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

As there are no more comments on that issue, I will move on to a final point. The notion of a deterrent has come up a couple of times. The witnesses have recognised that, when policy makers talk about ecocide, they are talking about the most severe instances—events that might happen only extremely rarely. In the bill, we talk about the likelihood of a sentence of between 10 and 20 years. Do you want to say anything about the sufficiency of the current deterrents?

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Another issue that has been raised is that of how we can better inform and educate the public, given that science and knowledge of environmental harm issues change all the time. Could anything be done to raise awareness of the legal framework that we currently have in Scotland? How could we create more of a deterrent effect?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you, convener. Good morning.

I was interested in the analysis that there is nothing lacking in the existing legislation with regard to being able to prosecute for an ecocide-level crime. We have heard from other witnesses who take the view that it could be argued that we are seeing some policy divergence between the situation that is emerging in the European Union in relation to how the environmental crime directive has been adopted by member states and the situation in Scotland.

I want to get some clarity on that. Is Scotland keeping pace with the European Union, or is there anything that could or should be done to make sure that everything is in alignment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

Maybe I misunderstood what you said earlier, but the Government’s position is that, in order to align with the policy and legal direction in the EU, we need to look at how we give effect to ecocide law. One option that the Scottish Government looked at was amending the 2014 act, but no such proposal has been made.

Other stakeholders, witnesses and people who responded to the call for views in an earlier consultation said that there are gaps in environmental governance in Scotland with regard to how people access justice and how things operate. Do you recognise or have a view on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you. Do we have time for any more answers, convener? I am in your hands.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

In relation to gaps in environmental governance, the committee has heard evidence about Scotland not complying with the Aarhus convention and our not having an environmental court. Communities find it expensive and difficult to access things such as judicial review. If you do not recognise that, that is okay. Perhaps other witnesses would like to respond.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

In September, the Scottish Government wrote to this committee to signal its support for the proposal to introduce an offence of ecocide. Notwithstanding what Suwita Randhawa has said today, the Government has been clear that it sees the offence as involving

“the most extreme, wilful and reckless cases of harm.”

We do not have time for everyone, so I will direct this question to Suwita Randhawa, since I have mentioned her. Do you understand why the Scottish Government has framed its view in that way and wants to make that distinction in people’s minds, that we are talking about the most severe examples? Are there other ways that what you described as the slow-burn or the cumulative impact could be addressed under the existing regulations that we have in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

So there are no improvements that you want to bring to our attention.

Clare Frances, do you have anything to add on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Monica Lennon

Thank you, convener.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Maternity Services

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Monica Lennon

I am grateful for the opportunity to listen to Clare Haughey’s expertise.

I think that the Wishaw NICU is award winning because of the excellent care by the staff and their close bond with families who have to keep going back there for on-going care.

Does she recognise that that is why the planned changes are so frightening for families, including those who have put the lives of their babies in the hands of that hospital and would not have their babies without it? Does she understand why the calls to pause the review are growing louder and louder, and that we need to do what we can to save that unit?