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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
That would be helpful.
One of the steps—I think that it is step 11—refers to occasions on which ministerial written authority might be required. In other words, the civil service’s assessment is presumably that the proposal does not represent efficiency, effectiveness or economy, but, nonetheless, there is a political imperative to create the new body or position. Are there any examples of cases in which such authority has been required?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
Are there not?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay. So, you think that that is a robust system and you do not think that any body is in the wrong category for auditing purposes.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
I know that Mr Macleod will be familiar with the recent incident involving the Water Industry Commission for Scotland. It is quite a small organisation, and clearly at arm’s length from Government, but it has been the subject of section 22 reports by Audit Scotland because of issues of governance, expenditure and so on. If an internal part of the Scottish Government had similar issues, how would they be addressed?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
That is fine.
A theme that has been highlighted to us, especially by the SPCB-supported commissioners, is a feeling that the level of audit to which they are subject is overly burdensome and disproportionate to the size of their organisations and the functions that they perform. In asking this question, minister, I am looking not just at you but at your team. Have you picked up a similar feeling from the supported bodies for which the Scottish Government is responsible?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
That is step 6. [Laughter.]
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I will start with the final area that you were talking about, which is the public sector reform agenda, but also place it in the context of the ministerial control framework. Have you undertaken a mapping exercise to consider where different functions sit among the 131 public bodies that are covered by the Scottish Government?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
Well, to see whether there is duplication or overlap.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
My question as a member of this committee, however, is whether you have carried out any kind of assessment of whether there is an overlap or duplication when it comes to the purposes of the different public bodies.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 May 2025
Richard Leonard
It is not just about whether you can share IT or HR systems; it is also about whether two bodies are, in part, doing coincidental work or have a coincidental purpose.