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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the second meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first agenda item is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Before we leave the business plan, I will ask you a couple of quick—I think that they are quick—questions on the small vessel replacement programme.

The FMPG board is attended by strategic commercial assets division representatives. In the most recent published minutes that are available on the Ferguson Marine website, which are from the board meeting of 30 May 2024, FMPG directors clearly indicated that they had obtained legal advice that supported the case for a direct award. Do you know anything about the dynamics of that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

For the record, is the procuring body the Scottish Government, or is it Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd, which the Scottish Government is the sole shareholder in?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you for that. I now invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

We might pose those questions to the Scottish Government and to FMPG representatives.

The framework agreement sets out portfolio accountable officer responsibilities. This goes to the point about governance arrangements that you have been addressing for much of this morning. The portfolio accountable officer in the Scottish Government is the director general economy. The framework agreement says that the company must

“conform to the requirements both of propriety and of good financial management.”

Do you have any reflections on whether those criteria have been met, and to what degree there is an element of responsibility for the accountable officer in the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Graham Simpson and Stuart McMillan have a final few short questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report on the 2023-24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Ltd.

Before we start, I remind everyone of my voluntary entry in the register of members’ interests in relation to trade union interests.

I welcome our witnesses. We are very pleased to be joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General, alongside Dharshi Santhakumaran, senior manager, and John Boyd, audit director, at Audit Scotland.

We have quite a number of questions to put. Before we get to those, I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, indeed. We have a large number of questions, as I said, so I will immediately ask the deputy convener to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Richard Leonard

It would be interesting to see whether that legal advice was given to the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, the board of CMAL or both.

My other question on the small vessel replacement programme is whether a single bundle has gone out to tender, meaning that the winner takes all, or could there be different configurations to how that work is awarded?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I move on to the substantive part of the committee’s agenda this morning, which is consideration of the Auditor General’s section 22 report into the Water Industry Commission for Scotland.

I am pleased to welcome our witnesses, and to wish them a happy new year. We are joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland. Alongside the Auditor General is Carole Grant, an audit director at Audit Scotland, and Richard Smith, a senior audit manager at Audit Scotland.

We have a number of questions to put to you on the report. However, before we get to those, I invite the Auditor General to give us a short opening statement.