The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 20th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first item on our agenda is for Fulton MacGregor to declare any relevant interests to the committee. Fulton joins us online. Over to you, Fulton.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
The principal item on our agenda is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 23 report “NHS in Scotland 2023”. In the interest of transparency, I refer members to my membership of two trade unions that organise workers who are employed in the national health service.
I welcome our witnesses this morning. We are joined by Caroline Lamb, who is the chief executive of NHS Scotland and the director general of health and social care for the Scottish Government; Richard McCallum, who is the director of health and social care finance, digital and governance for the Scottish Government; and John Burns, who is the chief operating officer of NHS Scotland.
The committee has got quite a number of questions to put to you, but, before we get to those, I invite Caroline Lamb to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I will ask one final question. Last year, we had a discussion about the national treatment centres, their costs, why they had gone over time—why they were being delayed—and so on. You wrote back, director general, on 22 July last year, explaining that the “original plan” was to open up six centres by 2021, at a cost of £200 million of public money. You also appended a table setting out details of seven centres that were yet to be completed, which had an estimated cost of £827 million. Why was there such a huge increase in the costs that were budgeted for the building of those treatment centres?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
But that would not be impossible, would it? Given that it has gone from £200 million to £827 million, we can easily see how it could continue to rise.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Why are you so resistant to doing that? Over a year ago, you were sat there and you and I had an exchange about the Auditor General’s recommendation to produce annual reports that would give greater transparency and clarity about whether progress was being made. You said—rather dismissively, I think—that you were not really interested in what you described as “a dry annual report.” Why do you have such resistance to the idea of openly publishing an annual summary of progress being made or not?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
You understand why, to us as the Public Audit Committee, it is unsatisfactory that, in this year’s report, the Auditor General had to repeat a recommendation. On the recommendation to
“Publish annual progress updates on the reform of services”,
under the heading “Limited progress”, he said:
“We repeat the recommendation in this report.”
Reform is the watchword of the new Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, so why have you not come up with the standard of reporting that the Auditor General thinks is required?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
On the 2023 report, the Auditor General, in a fairly stark summary, said that there was
“no single overall vision for how health services will look in future.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 21 March 2024; c 36.]
When I raised that with the then First Minister at a meeting of the Conveners Group in the Parliament, he said:
“I respectfully disagree with the Auditor General on that point”.
Where do you stand on that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. Finally, I will take you back to the cabinet secretary’s vision and therefore, I presume, to the Government’s vision. The cabinet secretary told Parliament that he had outlined his vision to Cabinet colleagues before he made his statement. He also spoke about the establishment of ministerial task forces, expert reference groups and stakeholder advisory groups. What are they going to do?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 20 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I am not sure that I entirely understand that, but that is probably a reflection on me and not you, director general.