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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Mr MacRae, you were very bullish there, saying that you needed the best legal advice. Did that go out to any procurement process?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

But, Mr MacRae, you were answering questions in the context of the KC’s retention. Did the position of the retained KC—formerly Queen’s counsel—go through any tendering process?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson wants to come in, and then I will go to James Dornan.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Well, no, you called it “pushback”.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I want to place on record the committee’s thanks for the amount of information that has been provided. There was a delay in publication because some of the information had to be redacted, but we will come to the substance of some of those documents and what they tell us.

It was useful for Mr MacRae to remind us at the outset that the whole purpose of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland is to ensure that Scottish Water provides

“long-term value and best-in-class levels of service”.

I am sure that, this morning, we will scrutinise whether WICS lives up to those standards.

Mr McGill, in October 2023, Audit Scotland sent you an email regarding the business case for the Harvard business school course, in which it questioned why expenditure of more than £20,000 required approval by the Scottish Government, when the board’s approval level was for expenditure of more than £100,000. I think that the expression that was used in that email was:

“this seems the wrong way around”.

Have you addressed that issue?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you expect that to be before the October recess, for example?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you think that it will be before Christmas?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Richard Leonard

I have been once before in relation to the treatment of young footballers.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Richard Leonard

I will get straight into the points that I want to raise. First, the recommendations that led to the proposals to downgrade Wishaw neonatal unit have not been subject to a robust or thorough equality or human rights impact assessment. That is an issue in relation to parents and families but also in relation to babies, because they, too, have rights under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—a right to life, a right to survival and a right to development—and that has not been properly taken into account.

Secondly, the clinical advice that has been used to justify the decision is now five years old. Thirdly, neither the current minister nor her predecessors have ever visited the Wishaw neonatal unit to speak to the staff there to get their expert view. Fourthly, as Jackie Baillie and Monica Lennon have mentioned, the concentration of the provision of these intensive care resources will bring about capacity and resilience issues. It is extremely difficult to understand the feasibility of families from central and southern Scotland having to go to Aberdeen, which will have one of the proposed three centres.

There has been centralisation of these services in other parts of the UK, but there has not been any proper evaluation of those that could be factored into any decisions that the Scottish Government takes. ScotSTAR and the Scottish Ambulance Service will be significantly affected by the changes and they have not been fully involved in the process. There has been no assessment of the impact on their services.

Finally, this is an issue in Lanarkshire and in Wishaw but there is also an issue about how we provide these services across the whole of Scotland. That is an issue for every member of this committee and every member of this Parliament. We simply ask this committee to take up some of these issues in relation to the extent to which the assessments have been made, the impact on staff, the impact on capacity, the impact on resilience and the impact not just on human rights but human lives.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Richard Leonard

That is okay. I will bring Graham Simpson in to ask a quick question in a minute, but it is striking that, in the introduction to the report, in paragraph 6, you say:

“Digital exclusion is strongly associated with poverty and people with certain protected characteristics.”

You go on to say, in paragraph 13, that digital exclusion is caused by affordability, by whether people have digital skills, by whether they “fear or mistrust” digital systems and by poor connectivity or being unable to afford to keep up with technological change.

09:15  

In paragraph 16, you reiterate that the major causes of digital exclusion are poverty—including being on benefits—and age, because older people are presumably less likely to be able to access digital technology. You say that people with disabilities and those who are socially isolated must overcome barriers to access. That gives a clear sense of those people among our citizens who are predominantly excluded from public services that are digitally provided.