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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes, well. Their involvement at the board meetings is interesting.

Mr Miller, while you have the floor, why have no board minutes been published on the FMPG website since 30 May 2024? That is more than eight months ago. For your information, this committee is interested in transparency. I presume that the board has been meeting, and we will get to that later on.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Without a preamble. [Laughter.]

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Hang on a minute, Mr Miller. Mr Tydeman says that he consulted the then chair of the board, who was your predecessor.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

As the chair of the board now, if either the accountable officer, Mr Dishon, or the chief executive officer, Mr Petticrew, said to you, “I propose that we second somebody from another organisation on these terms”, would you be duty bound to report that to the board, the remuneration committee, the internal risk and audit committee or some other sub-committee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

No. I am asking you, Mr Miller, because it is clear—it has been stated several times, by various people—that Mr Mackenzie did not feed that in to the board or to the board sub-committee.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Had you been in his shoes at the time, what would you have done?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. So you would share that information and involve other people in that decision.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. You have made your position clear.

I will now ask our deputy convener to put questions to you from part 1 of his suite of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Hang on a minute. The last minute that was published—it is very thorough—clearly shows interventions and speaking parts by members of the strategic commercial assets division. Frankly, I would expect that. As the DG economy for the Scottish Government, you might not, but I would expect it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

If issues of internal control and governance are highlighted by the Auditor General’s report, is there not a duty or a responsibility on those people, as observers of the board meetings, to voice concerns or to intervene, as set out in the framework agreement?