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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Before I go to Graham Simpson, I will ask you about paragraph 100 of the report. I have never seen this language in an Audit Scotland report in all the time that I have convened the committee. It says quite bluntly, and Audit Scotland witnesses repeated it when they gave oral evidence to us, that the Scottish Government, in a press release in February 2019, was misleading, because it claimed that 172 loans to GP practices to improve or to purchase or to sell on their premises had been applied for successfully, when it turns out that only 63 had.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Well, these are not my words; these are the words of the Auditor General, who said that the Government was “misleading”.

Just for completeness, instead of £30 million being made available in sustainability loans for GP premises, only £15 million has been loaned out. That is half the headline figure that is in the 2018 document. Why is that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. It seems to me that this should not have come as a surprise. At the time of the publication of the contract in November 2017, it clearly stated that

“the contract offer proposes significant new arrangements for GP premises”,

so there was an acknowledgement that this was pioneering, it was significant and it was new. I am therefore a little bit puzzled as to why some of the difficulties have come as a bit of a shock to the Government.

I will move on and invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite Stephanie Callaghan to put some questions to the witnesses around access to GP services. As I mentioned earlier, Stephanie joins us online.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Did we get timescales yesterday?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Everything within a year?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

The next plan about the plan will be published within a year?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

You just described the process as creating a bigger organisation. Presumably, part of the thinking behind merging two organisations is to rationalise and look at whether there is duplication, and whether a synergy might lead to fewer people being employed in the organisation or to the services being delivered in a different way. Is that part of your thinking?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Director general, we must leave it there. Thank you very much for that final answer.

I thank all our witnesses for the evidence that they have given us. Thank you, Andrew Chapman, Tim McDonnell, Susan Gallacher and director general Caroline Lamb for giving us your time and insight. We might want to follow up on some areas; I think that you, in turn, undertook to give us more information, which we would very much value, as always.

With that, we move into private session.

12:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:49.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Item 2 is further consideration of the Audit Scotland report “General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”. I am pleased to welcome our witnesses for the first session. We are joined by Dr Iain Morrison, chair of the Scottish general practice committee of the British Medical Association Scotland. Alongside him is Dr Chris Provan, chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners Scotland. We are joined remotely by the vice-chair of RCGP Scotland, Dr Chris Williams. Dr Williams, if you want to come in at any point to answer the committee’s questions, indicate that in the chat box and we will endeavour to bring you in.

We have quite a number of questions to put but, before we get to them, I invite the representatives in the room to give us short opening statements. I will begin with Dr Morrison.