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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 10th meeting in 2026 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Joe FitzPatrick.

Agenda item 1 is for members to consider whether to take items 3 to 5 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for answering our questions on that incident. That is not why you are here, but it is of extreme public interest, so we wanted to cover some of that ground.

If I may, I will take you back to the report on best value in policing and a matter that is perhaps fairly dry but really important. At our meeting on 11 February, Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, said:

“What we are talking about here is public service reform and transformation.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee 11 February 2023; c 19.]

I am old enough to remember that, 10 years ago, a rather costly decision had to be taken to abandon the i6 Accenture digital information technology programme, which was supposed to save £200 million. I bring that up because IT systems and digital transformation have quite a chequered history. Director general, can you bring the committee up to date with where things are and give us some assurance that things are on track with the investments in digital support to help the chief constable and her officers to carry out their work?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Before we get into the detail of the report, we want to speak about some more contemporaneous issues, as you are in front of a parliamentary committee. I should begin by declaring my interest as the convener of the Professional Footballers Association Scotland parliamentary interest group.

On 11 February, we heard evidence from the chief inspector of constabulary. When we were speaking about operational matters and equality and so on, he told us:

“For example, operational equality assessments are being done. If there is a Celtic v Rangers match at the weekend, an equality impact assessment will be done in the lead-up to policing that event. It is about widening that approach in a way that takes the human rights that sit at the core of the organisation’s values and ensures that they are applied in every operational sphere.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 11 February 2026; c 9.]

I suppose that the question is: did that happen in the lead-up to last Sunday’s fixture at Ibrox?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I will go to the deputy convener shortly, but, before I do that, Joe FitzPatrick wants to come in on one of the areas that Colin Beattie covered.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That is fine. Jamie Greene has a final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I have had an indication that Joe FitzPatrick is going to try our patience and ask a final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you. For the record, do you accept the findings and recommendations of the Audit Scotland report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That has come after a considerable period of time in which there has been an escalated level that has not led to any change in performance.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

We acknowledge that there has been a change in the leadership of the board. To an extent, that leads me to one of the overall points that is made in the audit report and that was articulated by the Auditor General when he gave evidence to us on the issue. He said:

“It is important for … boards to be absolutely clear about what happens in different scenarios.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 7 January 2026; c 48.]

Clearly, NHS Ayrshire and Arran has not understood what is supposed to happen and has not been absolutely clear about what it is supposed to do when it is escalated.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

You mentioned evidence; do you have evidence to support claims that new board members are being trained and that existing board members are being offered refresher training? Do you collect data on that?