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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
We all recognise it. Do you accept the recommendations and findings?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. At the outset, do you accept the findings and recommendations of Audit Scotland’s report?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
I will finish by going back to a point that Colin Beattie raised. With the subsidiaries and other enterprises that colleges are entering into, is there a proper sense of the risk that is involved? Are the governance structures fit for purpose to give proper oversight to and have accountability for such initiatives?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
What do you understand “value for money” to mean?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. In the interests of time, I will go straight to Colin Beattie.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Well, you mentioned Police Scotland, HMRC and so on, which are public sector agencies of good standing. However, there has been an issue with HMRC using private companies to debt collect and things like that. I am just wondering whether you have gone down—
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
We still have two committee members who have questions to ask, so I will move straight along.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Absolutely.
On that note, I will draw this session to a close. I thank Helen Fogarty and David Wallace, from Social Security Scotland, and Stephen Kerr, Kevin Stevens and the director general for communities, from the Scottish Government. Thank you for giving us the full answers that we were looking for on a range of questions. We will consider what next steps we might want to take as a committee, and we will inform you of those in due course.
Because we are going to change over witnesses, I will suspend the meeting for five minutes.
11:04 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Welcome back, everyone. Agenda item 3 is consideration of the Auditor General’s briefing, “Scotland’s colleges 2025”. I am very pleased that we are joined this morning by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. Good morning, Auditor General. Mr Boyle is accompanied by Derek Hoy, who is a senior manager at Audit Scotland, and Ray Buist, who is an audit manager at Audit Scotland, who both worked on the briefing.
Before we put some questions to you, Auditor General, I invite you to make an opening statement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed for that introduction. I turn straight away to the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, who has some questions to put to you.