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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Meeting of the Commission

“Quality of public audit in Scotland: Annual report 2024/25”

Meeting date: 23 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Before you bring in Owen Smith, can you expand not just on “late”—we all understand “late” and that there may be understandable reasons for lateness in the completion of an audit—but the expression “not making progress”? That is of much greater concern to me than audits being late.

Meeting of the Commission

“Quality of public audit in Scotland: Annual report 2024/25”

Meeting date: 23 June 2025

Richard Leonard

In paragraph 18 of the report, you refer to one outlier public body, which has not had its audit for the financial year 2022-23 completed and, therefore, not had one completed for 2023-24 and, therefore, not had one completed for 2024-25. Again, that rings alarm bells with me, both as convener of the Public Audit Committee and as a member of the commission. In the end, this is about public money. It is about assurance for that body, and the good governance of that body. I do not know how big that particular organisation is, but nonetheless we are talking about whether a proper audit of public money is being undertaken.

Meeting of the Commission

“Quality of public audit in Scotland: Annual report 2024/25”

Meeting date: 23 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Excellent.

Meeting of the Commission

“Quality of public audit in Scotland: Annual report 2024/25”

Meeting date: 23 June 2025

Richard Leonard

But they are not like health and safety inspectors, who turn up unannounced, are they? I would expect that an audit is a planned operation between the public body that is being audited and the auditor—whether they are internal or from an external firm—who is carrying out the audit.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

On that rather stark warning note, we are going to have to draw this session to a close. We had some other questions that we wanted to put to you, but we have run out of time. I would propose that, if you agree, we put those questions in writing and make sure that you get an opportunity to give us answers. We did not get on to premises and other areas that we think are important to you and are part of the 2018 contract.

With that, I thank Dr Chris Williams, who joined us online, for your input. I thank Dr Chris Provan for being in the committee room and giving us the benefit of your expertise. Dr Iain Morrison, I thank you also for your time and for the evidence that you have given us this morning. It has been a very useful session, and I thank you all for your participation.

I suspend the meeting, because we need to change over witnesses.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:09 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

You said at the start of your statement that the Scottish Government engaged in the production of the report and, at the end, that it was an opportune time to pause and reflect on the report. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

We all accept that, yesterday afternoon, a service renewal framework was set out by the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care. However, we are talking about a contract that really has its roots back in 2016. I return to my question. Do you accept the report’s findings, which include criticisms of the Government’s tardiness and the extent to which the Government has been transparent?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, but I am not going to allow you to get away with blaming the pandemic, because the consultation on this contract began in November 2016, the document was produced in November 2017 and phase 1 of its implementation began in April 2018, which is almost two years before the pandemic. You really cannot blame the pandemic for a failure to implement most of the objectives that are set out in the contract.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

We can hear you, but we cannot see you, Stephanie.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

There you are. Please proceed.