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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

We are drawing towards the end of the evidence session. I will bring in Sharon Dowey shortly.

Mr Kenny mentioned the hopefulness that comes with the commissioning of an external consultant’s report. However, did I not read that there was a consultant’s report in 2016 that looked into the Crofting Commission? The question that that provokes is to what extent there is a similarity between the findings of the consultants in their 2016 report and what Deloitte uncovered in 2020-21. Is the Crofting Commission just dealing with the same issues? Are you as auditors having to deal with the same issues? Are we as the Public Audit Committee of the Scottish Parliament having to deal with the same issues over and over again?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has some questions about the PPE contracts and how they were experienced, particularly by people on the front line.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

That would be helpful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Carole Grant, do you want to come in with a final word?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

We note the comments that have been made on how the budget was put together by the commission the last time around. We will look with interest at how next year’s budget is put together.

Another theme that has exercised us quite considerably, and which we want to probe, is the relationship between the commission and the sponsoring division in the Scottish Government. The report says that, during the past year, the relationship has “deteriorated significantly”. Auditor General, will you expand on that and put some flesh on the bones?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Willie, do you have any further questions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has another question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. With that undertaking, I thank Pat Kenny and Graeme Greenhill for their evidence this morning, which has been very helpful, and of course I thank the Auditor General for leading on the evidence that has been brought before us. Once again, I place on the record our thanks to him.

10:15 Meeting suspended.  

10:16 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, Auditor General. I want to press ahead straight away with questions. I turn to my right, to Sharon Dowey.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Some of us might describe it as excess profiteering from a global pandemic.

My next question is not designed to catch you out. My eye was drawn to a line that says that the auditor reported that the audit work did not find

“any issues with the quality of goods procured or the companies contracted.”

The report goes on to talk about cost overruns.

I will not always rely on the media for my sources, but I was struck by a story that the Sunday Mail ran—the weekend after the report came out, I think—which included the following figures:

“We can reveal that millions of masks and goggles were binned after a rush to secure vital PPE as Covid struck”,

including

“90,000 respirator valve masks made by US firm Medline ... Three million pairs of goggles lenses and frames from US company Tiger Medical Products ... 66,000 face masks from Dumfries-based Alpha Solway—some of which were poorly made”,

and

“700 charity donated masks it was feared were made at forced-labour camps in China.”

What was your methodology, and how did you arrive at a point where you could make the categorical statement that you make in the report?