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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Yes, Mr Huggins—please do.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I invite Craig Hoy to ask a series of questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. Willie Coffey does have further questions, but for technical reasons, he has had to switch to audio only.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Absolutely.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
At this point, I would like to bring in Sharon Fairweather, who has been trying to get in.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. On that note, we will draw this evidence session to an end. Thanks, as always, to the Auditor General, and to Antony Clark and Jillian Matthew, for joining us this morning. We have looked with a great deal of interest at the briefing paper and the evidence that you have provided, and we will clearly need to consider our next steps. Thank you very much for your time this morning.
11:11 Meeting continued in private until 11:43.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
We understand that, and it would be helpful to return to it. One of the overarching questions that came out of the briefing—which many people looking at this whole area of public policy ask—is why, despite the fact that there are now new initiatives, it has taken so long, given that you were evaluating it all those years ago in 2009. During that time, things have not got better—they have got worse.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Right. Thank you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 March 2022
Richard Leonard
Before we leave that point, Catherine Topley was asked by Colin Beattie about the support that Scottish Canals had had from Transport Scotland, but I would like to ask Hugh Gillies about the degree to which he feels any responsibility for the situation.
The Audit Scotland report is fairly strong. Paragraph 4 says that there were fundamental problems with the qualifications of the person who carried out the valuation of assets. Paragraph 18 talks about the classification of revenue spend as capital spend. Those sound like technical matters, but they are fairly fundamental failings in the approach to the accounts—to such an extent that Audit Scotland issued that rare thing: a disclaimer.
Recently, we heard from the Scottish Environment Protection Agency, which had a disclaimer because of a cyberattack, in which virtually all of its data was wiped out. Scottish Canals has had a disclaimer. Hugh Gillies, how do you reflect on the situation that has occurred? What lessons are you learning as a result?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 March 2022
Richard Leonard
That is helpful, but I do not read the report as simply being about a narrow technical issue that has led to a snag. For example, one of the critiques in the report is that the people who were appointed to carry out the asset valuation did not appear to be qualified to do so. How on earth could that happen?