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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. We have a final round of questions from the deputy convener. Jamie, over to you.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for putting that on the record—that is appreciated.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Now I am a bit confused. You told us earlier that you accepted the findings of the report and now you are saying that there are elements of the findings that you do not agree with and that we will get on to those. We are getting mixed messages, Mr McKinlay.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Yes, I understand that. However, if that is the case and you all accept the findings and recommendations, why are we sitting here with a letter from the independent strategic adviser, who is also, I think, Mr McKinlay, the chair of The Promise Scotland, with some pretty harsh criticisms of the report. She says things such as that the report does not provide a
“constructive assessment of the wider landscape”,
or offer
“a realistic assessment of progress”.
That is a very harsh criticism of the report.
I do not understand how the person who chairs The Promise Scotland, who is the independent strategic adviser—presumably to the Scottish Government—has given such a damning criticism. There are two others, as well: she says that the report is not “acting as a catalyst”, and that it should “act as a catalyst”.
How do you reconcile that position, which has been expressed by the person who, among other things, is the chair of The Promise board and an adviser to the Scottish Government?
I will take Mr McKinlay first.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Colin, I think that Nicola Dickie and David Anderson want to come in on this question.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 33rd meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first agenda item is for members of the committee to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we all agreed to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay. Mr Rennick, what is your view?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
We will get to that.
I turn to our representatives from COSLA. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
I do not know whether you can answer this. Why was it that, when the Audit Scotland report was published, a joint press release, or a joint response, was put out by COSLA, the Scottish Government, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers—senior local authority officials—and Fiona Duncan? Does COSLA not have any differentiated analysis of what has happened, where responsibility rests and so on?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Richard Leonard
Your example of the homelessness pathway was very clear. If we have time, we will come back to your other example.